proposition 8 Options

[*Janette*]

By a vote of 6-1 (with Justice Carlos Moreno dissenting), the California Supreme Court has upheld Proposition 8 -- while preserving the marriage licenses of 18,000 same-sex couples who wed in the months prior to the November election. Paul Hogarth is reading the 185-page Court decision as we speak, and will be reporting later today with his legal analysis of the Court's reasoning.

http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/BREAKI...rop_8_6962.html

discuss.

[hi-C]

As much as the Amish may appear to be outside of the mainstream, they apply for marriage licenses, they just don't need an officiant. In that case, it's called a self-uniting marriage. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07271/821194-85.stm

And, apparently, they pay taxes, too.

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As much as the Amish may appear to be outside of the mainstream, they apply for marriage licenses, they just don't need an officiant. In that case, it's called a self-uniting marriage. http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07271/821194-85.stm

And, apparently, they pay taxes, too.

Property tax, ya... they have to pay for the large piece of land. The IRS is upset because they've been trying to get the Amish to pay for Social Security, state taxes, and something else. But they don't have to because they don't exist outside of their own community. They don't use anything from the state other than the land they're on, which they respectfully pay their taxes on. As for Social Security, majority if not all Amish are pretty much self sufficient... or what Government calls, "self employed"

The reason why they don't need a marriage license is because it is their community who gives the yay or nay. The Amish don't depend on man made laws for civility, they depend on their religious laws.

In fact, I'm amazed that the Christians have not demanded the state to stay out of religious affairs.. since religion is not allowed to interfere with Government or state, it should be vica versa.

[hi-C]

Property tax, ya... they have to pay for the large piece of land.

The reason why they don't need a marriage license is because it is their community who gives the yay or nay. The Amish don't depend on man made laws for civility, they depend on their religious laws.

But they do get marriage licenses. Like with the state of Pennsylvania:

To be recognized as legal by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, marriages must be performed under a valid marriage license duly issued by a Clerk of Orphans’ Court MUST BE OFFICIATED by one of the following individuals specifically recognized under PA law as authorized to officiate, to wit:

Sec. 1503. Persons qualified to solemnize marriages.

(a) General rule. The following are authorized to solemnize marriages between persons that produce a marriage license issued under this part:

1. A justice, judge or district justice of this Commonwealth.
2. A former or retired justice, judge or district justice of this Commonwealth who is serving as a senior judge or a senior district justice as provided or prescribed by law.
3. An active or senior judge or full-time magistrate of the District Courts of the United States for the Eastern, Middle or Western District of Pennsylvania.
4. An active or senior judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit who is a resident of this Commonwealth.
5. A mayor of any city or borough of this Commonwealth.
6. A minister, priest or rabbi of any regularly established church or congregation.

(b) Religious organizations. Every religious society, religious institution or religious organization in this Commonwealth may join persons together in marriage when at least one of the persons is a member of the society, institution or organization, according to the rules and customs of the society, institution or organization. (Amish & Quakers if you are a member)

© Marriage license needed to officiate. No person or religious organization qualified to perform marriages shall officiate at a marriage ceremony without the parties having obtained a marriage license issued under this part.

http://www.washingtoncourts.us/pages/roMarriageLicenses.aspx
http://www.tiogacountypa.us/tioga/cwp/view...Nav=|9605|9658|

And from the state of Indiana:

IC 31-11-4-1
Marriage license required to marry
Sec. 1. Before two (2) individuals may marry each other, the individuals must obtain a marriage license under this chapter.
As added by P.L.1-1997, SEC.3. [...]

IC 31-11-4-4
Application; sexually transmitted diseases acknowledgment; religious objections
Sec. 4. (a) An application for a marriage license must be written and verified. The application must contain the following information concerning each of the applicants:
(1) Full name.
(2) Birthplace.
(3) Residence.
(4) Age.
(5) Names of dependent children.
(6) Full name, including the maiden name of a mother, last known residence, and, if known, the place of birth of:
(A) the birth parents of the applicant if the applicant is not adopted; or
(B) the adoptive parents of the applicant if the applicant is adopted.
(7) A statement of facts necessary to determine whether any legal impediment to the proposed marriage exists.
(8) Except as provided in subsection (e), an acknowledgment that both applicants must sign, affirming that the applicants have received the information described in section 5 of this chapter, including a list of test sites for the virus that causes AIDS (acquired immune deficiency syndrome). The

acknowledgment required by this subdivision must be in the following form:
ACKNOWLEDGMENT

I acknowledge that I have received information regarding dangerous communicable diseases that are sexually transmitted and a list of test sites for the virus that causes AIDS (acquired immune deficiency syndrome).
__________________________ ____________
Signature of Applicant Date
__________________________ ____________
Signature of Applicant Date
(b) The clerk of the circuit court shall record the application, including the license and certificate of marriage, in a book provided for that purpose. This book is a public record.
© The state department of health shall develop uniform forms for applications for marriage licenses. The state department of health shall furnish these forms to the circuit court clerks. The state department of health may periodically revise these forms.
(d) The state department of health shall require that the record of marriage form developed under subsection © must include each applicant's Social Security number. Any Social Security numbers collected on the record of marriage form shall be kept confidential and used only to carry out the purposes of the Title IV-D program. A person who knowingly or intentionally violates confidentiality regarding an applicant's Social Security numbers as described in this subsection commits a Class A infraction.
(e) Notwithstanding subsection (a), a person who objects on religious grounds is not required to:
(1) verify the application under subsection (a) by oath or affirmation; or
(2) sign the acknowledgment described in subsection (a)(8).
However, before the clerk of the circuit court may issue a marriage license to a member of the Old Amish Mennonite church, the bishop of that member must sign a statement that the information in the application is true.
(f) If a person objects on religious grounds to:
(1) verifying the application under subsection (a) by oath or affirmation; or
(2) signing the acknowledgment described in subsection (a)(8);
the clerk of the circuit court shall indicate that fact on the application for a marriage license.
As added by P.L.1-1997, SEC.3. Amended by P.L.213-1999, SEC.8; P.L.86-2002, SEC.5.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title31/ar11/ch4.html

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But they do get marriage licenses. Like with the state of Pennsylvania:
http://www.washingtoncourts.us/pages/roMarriageLicenses.aspx
http://www.tiogacountypa.us/tioga/cwp/view...Nav=|9605|9658|

And from the state of Indiana:
http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title31/ar11/ch4.html

Right the commonwealth, meaning to work outside of the community and for the state. This is applying to Amish people who wish to get married outside of their community and gain benefits from their state. In Amish belief they don't believe in man made laws or anything outside of their religious / spiritual culture.

They are not "forced" by law to obtain a marriage license as so long as they stay within their community. Eh.. I don't think you're understanding anything I've said.