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Religion - Pros & Cons
darkphyre
post Jun 20 2004, 11:24 PM
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What Atheists think about religion

Atheist Criticisms of Religion

Not all atheists are hostile to religion, but many do think that religion is bad. Here are some of their reasons...
  • Religion gets people to believe something untrue.
  • Religion makes people base the way they run their lives on a falsehood.
  • Religion stops people thinking in a rational and objective way.
  • Religion forces people to rely on outside authority, rather than becoming self-reliant.
  • Religion imposes irrational rules of good and bad behaviour.
  • Religion divides people, and is a cause of conflict and war.
  • The hierarchical structure of most religions is anti-democratic, and thus offends basic human rights.
  • Religion doesn't give equal treatment to women and gay people, and thus offends basic human rights.
  • Religion obstructs scientific research.
  • Religion wastes time and money.
Religion has good bits to it.

Most atheists willingly concede there are some good things about religion, such as:
  • Religious art and music
  • Religious charities and good works
  • Much religious wisdom and scripture
  • Human fellowship and togetherness


I agree with just about everything on this list. What do you think?
 
 
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Mini
post Jun 29 2004, 05:42 PM
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okay, no one knows if anything we say about religion is true until we die.

i really believe religion is just something to erase the fear of death. if you look at most religions, they always state what happens when you die. either you go to heaven or hell, get reincarnated into something based on whether you have been good or bad in your previous life, etc.

i think religion is good, it motivates people to become better human beings. it gives comfort, hope, joy, peace, assurance. religion can be a powerful thing.

also, there isnt just one religion, there's many. i just hate the fact how people take things into their own hands and try to convert people. i wish people would respect each other and just let people follow whatever they want. people are corrupting most religions. i think religions are fine, yet people turn it into something corrupted and tainted.

i think people bash Christians because of the Bible. the Bible again speaks metaphorically, there is no exact translation on it. people are bashing Christianity because of certain things the Bible says that are considered very biased to other people. yet some dont know how the Bible has been updated for the "new church". also there's also bad reputation with Christians, about the crusades and what not. how Christians are killling people if they dont convert in the name of God. i think that's very very stereotypical, i hate when people are blaming other people because of what others in the past did.

the only thing i hate is when some Christians follow the EXACT words of the Bible and tell everyone else to follow it and that Christianity is the only true religion. as i said, people create the negative things in a religion.

im Buddhist, but i respect other religions ALOT. heck I even believe there is God, Satan, Hell, Heaven, Buddha, and what not. its funny because i grew up to believe that everything happened historically. did you know that Buddha could be also a messenger of God? even though Buddha is just a person, he rose up to the chaos in Asia and tried to spread peace throughout the land. Buddha also taught about how to live a pure life without sins. when you live a life without sins (pleasures, evil, food, clothes, etc.) then you will reach Nirvana (a state of being where you are pure in the eyes of God, if you reach Nirvana, you can go and live in what is called "heaven") if you havent reached Nirvana, you get reincarnated into something based on your previous life. For example, if you were bad your previous life, you might get reincarnated into a person with hardships or not even a person at all. If you have been really bad like going against the essentials DO NOTS, then you would be sent to what is called "hell" or the underworld where you are literally tortured for all the different sins you have done. there are different planes of "hell" like the the ones in Daunte's Inferno. Heck, i think most religions are VERY VERY similiar. most believe in a universal being (God) and living a good life. religions also state punishments for the wrongs that people have commited in their mortal lives.

but there is some doubts in my mind about certain things in all religions, like about the Bible. if only God made the Bible and it is all holy. then i would believe everything in the Bible, right now i have my doubts because the Bible has so many versions that you dont know what is true and false anymore.
 

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darkphyre   Religion - Pros & Cons   Jun 20 2004, 11:24 PM
onenonly101   Religion gets people to believe something untrue. ...   Jun 21 2004, 11:19 AM
Spirited Away   In history, religion in general served as a mean f...   Jun 21 2004, 11:49 AM
sammi rules you   psssssssssssssssssssst.... atheists just dont bel...   Jun 21 2004, 12:08 PM
darkphyre   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 21 2004, 11:19 AM)Rel...   Jun 21 2004, 12:09 PM
onenonly101   QUOTEThe basic human rights are internationally re...   Jun 21 2004, 12:31 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE"(1 Tim 2:9-12 NRSV) also that the women...   Jun 21 2004, 02:18 PM
ComradeRed   Morality is definitely positive, religious-based m...   Jun 21 2004, 02:50 PM
DisneyPrincessKate   I don't see any problems with being religious....   Jun 21 2004, 03:59 PM
onenonly101   QUOTE"(1 Tim 2:9-12 NRSV) also that the women...   Jun 21 2004, 05:19 PM
ComradeRed   Women should wear dark veils and long garb that ca...   Jun 21 2004, 08:14 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jun 21 2004, 8:14 PM)Women...   Jun 21 2004, 09:42 PM
JlIaTMK   i kind of agree with wat u r saying even tho im ch...   Jun 22 2004, 06:31 PM
princess2113   QUOTE(VaguelyAware @ Jun 21 2004, 12:08 PM)ps...   Jun 26 2004, 01:38 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 26 2004, 1:38 PM)Ath...   Jun 26 2004, 03:52 PM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTEAtheist are confident there is no God, Agnost...   Jun 28 2004, 08:53 PM
EmeraldKnight   Aiya.. not another religion topic.. Ok.. ignor...   Jun 29 2004, 01:14 AM
HiddenFaerie   I haven't a problem with religion. As long as ...   Jun 29 2004, 09:32 AM
the_overachiever   gawsh i really need a course in apologetics... =/ ...   Jun 29 2004, 05:08 PM
Mini   okay, no one knows if anything we say about religi...   Jun 29 2004, 05:42 PM
HiddenFaerie   QUOTE(Mini @ Jun 29 2004, 6:42 PM)i just hate...   Jun 29 2004, 05:56 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(Mini @ Jun 29 2004, 5:42 PM)im Buddhist...   Jun 29 2004, 05:57 PM
the_overachiever   QUOTE(Mini @ Jun 29 2004, 5:42 PM)people are ...   Jun 29 2004, 06:15 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(the_overachiever @ Jun 29 2004, 6:15 PM...   Jun 29 2004, 06:19 PM
the_overachiever   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 29 2004, 6:19 PM)Ar...   Jun 29 2004, 06:20 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(the_overachiever @ Jun 29 2004, 6:20 PM...   Jun 29 2004, 06:23 PM
Mini   oh yeah im a guy. lol, isnt my avatar sexy? anyway...   Jun 29 2004, 06:50 PM
EmeraldKnight   Hm.. found this quote online.. see what you all th...   Jul 7 2004, 11:30 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 7 2004, 11:30 PM)Hm...   Jul 8 2004, 01:49 PM
rnrn897   gosh these topics are pretty annoying.. not gonna...   Jul 8 2004, 02:27 PM
Ze world is a Mask   how do you know if that religion is true or not?   Aug 6 2004, 05:55 PM
DaToNeViEtBoI916   everybody's been pickin on Christianity..pick ...   Aug 6 2004, 06:45 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(rnrn897 @ Jul 8 2004, 2:27 PM)gosh thes...   Aug 6 2004, 11:15 PM
Guarneri   if you really believe in whatever you believe... w...   Aug 7 2004, 03:04 AM
ryfitaDF   the only thing i have wrong with religion is bigot...   Aug 7 2004, 03:53 AM
sadolakced acid   oh, i can't wait for some jehovah's witnes...   Aug 7 2004, 10:36 AM
Spirited Away   AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA I believe that they're ...   Aug 7 2004, 12:40 PM
sadolakced acid   yea, but thier annoyance scale to me is the same a...   Aug 9 2004, 08:39 PM
ComradeRed   When someone tries to convert me to their faith, I...   Aug 10 2004, 09:29 AM
sadolakced acid   hehe. well, as long as they go away once i tell th...   Aug 10 2004, 08:09 PM
Spirited Away   ^^ They didn't go away when I said that. The...   Aug 10 2004, 08:39 PM
NATIONAL BONER DAY   I believe religion was created to serve us in 2 wa...   Aug 28 2004, 08:50 PM
barelyy_coherent   QUOTE(NATIONAL BONER DAY @ Aug 28 2004, 5:50 ...   Sep 7 2004, 11:32 PM
NATIONAL BONER DAY   You completely missed my point. Come back when you...   Sep 29 2004, 07:56 PM
barelyy_coherent   Excuse me, but if you had an actual point maybe I...   Oct 3 2004, 02:38 AM
strice   haha, you're an idiot. she makes complete sens...   Oct 3 2004, 02:43 AM
barelyy_coherent   She made complete sense, of course. But it doesn...   Oct 3 2004, 11:09 PM
NATIONAL BONER DAY   QUOTE(barelyy_coherent @ Oct 3 2004, 2:38 AM)...   Oct 7 2004, 12:42 AM
strice   about the religious art, it's common knowledge...   Oct 7 2004, 02:16 AM
DittotoAnne18   QUOTE(the_overachiever @ Jun 29 2004, 5:08 PM...   Oct 11 2004, 10:36 AM
PinkTrash   Religion helps a lot of people through. I mean, a ...   Oct 11 2004, 11:24 PM
DaTru KataLYST   Sigh i totally dunno wut to say. When I look ins...   Oct 11 2004, 11:32 PM
Spirited Away   PinkTrash: Religion gives hope to some and take aw...   Oct 11 2004, 11:33 PM
straightedge9   i believe that some people NEED to have a god... ...   Oct 12 2004, 03:35 PM
dreamerOi   I believe it too pretty much. but still the first ...   Oct 12 2004, 04:12 PM
barelyy_coherent   QUOTE(straightedge9 @ Oct 12 2004, 12:35 PM)p...   Oct 12 2004, 07:44 PM
sadolakced acid   the two instuments to take over a country are this...   Oct 17 2004, 01:31 AM
Alternativemado   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 21 2004, 11:19 AM)Rel...   Oct 21 2004, 11:22 PM
aznxdreamer   religon gives people faith and hope.   Oct 24 2004, 06:00 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(aznxdreamer @ Oct 24 2004, 6:00 PM)reli...   Oct 24 2004, 08:54 PM
strice   the lord giveth and the lord taketh indeed.   Oct 24 2004, 08:56 PM
Spirited Away   Give, take, and PUNISH!   Oct 24 2004, 10:55 PM
[X]poised   um, everything on that list is based on what athei...   Oct 24 2004, 11:22 PM
Oreo_bro   Religion gives hope and a purpose for some, its a ...   Oct 25 2004, 12:05 AM
strice   i don't think religion saves drug addicts, but...   Oct 25 2004, 01:27 AM
dreamerOi   QUOTE(Oreo_bro @ Oct 24 2004, 10:05 PM)Many d...   Oct 25 2004, 01:29 AM
Spirited Away   Xpoised, Oreo, my list have been proven throughout...   Oct 25 2004, 01:24 PM


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