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[PurpleDaze112]

we talked about this in my history class. do you think black people should get reparations for slavery?

I actually do think so, and for these reasons.

1. they were PROMISED
2. slavery was an institution that not only displaced a people, but destroyed their culture and history
3. it would help the economy

reparations would cause each person of african descent (about 36 million in america)to get at least $10k. That would lead to new houses being purchased, cars bought, and educations paid for. Small businesses would be started too. And after all, Jews got reparations from the german gov't because of the holocaust, native americans get money for college from the feds, adn Japanese americans too. Slavery wasn't formally apologized for until bill clinton.

[brooklyneast05]

this is why i don't bother trying to have this discussion with white people. it's always something because they're in denial that at the end of the day, they didn't pay their debt. there is no way around it. they owed a lot, and they didn't and never will pay it. it's a bitch move, and it's more of a bitch move when white people act like they have no responsibility in the state of the black community today. what a joke. white people have some responsibility in the poor conditions of pretty much every minority here in my opinion.

slavery was abolished a long time ago, but it's not like everything was all grand once they abolished slavery. i mean white people still held black people down a really f*cking long time after that. i guess people forget that the civil rights movement wasn't that long ago.

it's a bunch of what ifs. nobody knows that i would have been worse off today if my ancestors hadn't been taken away and forced make another people rich. i don't know why people wanna act like if it wasn't for them i'd be dirt poor, naked, starving and living in a hut, as if that's how the entire continent of africa is. it's impossible to compare anyway because we're comparing the current US and the current africa. without the slave trade, we don't know the that US would be how it is today and we don't know that africa would either.

but it's whatever cause like i've said, if you're white, i don't even see a point in arguing with you. especially as long as people want me to be glad for everything that's happened to my family and community i just don't agree with that.


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oh i guess i haven't gotten my reparation yet then since i'm not on welfare and haven't known anyone in my family who has been.

[Uronacid]

it's a bitch move, and it's more of a bitch move when white people act like they have no responsibility in the state of the black community today. what a joke. white people have some respon...

I'm not acting like it's not out responsibility. I'm telling you it's not our responsibility. There are plenty of poor white people too. Bad things happen to everyone. This is the most racist thing I have ever seen you say.

[brooklyneast05]

I'm not acting like it's not out responsibility. I'm telling you it's not our responsibility. There are plenty of poor white people too. Bad things happen to everyone. This is the most racist thing I have ever seen you say.

i'm not saying white people individually are responsible, i'm saying as a whole, yes i do think the black community is f*cked partly because of the white one. i can't see how they aren't at all at fault.

the white one oppressed the black one for hundreds of years, and then the 1960s comes along and everything is supposed to be fine and well now? i don't get it. how can you f*ck people over for hundreds of years and think they should be recovered in 1/5th of the time. how can you f*ck people over period, and not have any connection to their current problem?

maybe it's offensive to you. it's offense to me to be told i'm supposed to be glad slavery happened, so i guess we're even. i just don't understand when people don't think the black community and white communities problems aren't intertwined.

[Uronacid]

i'm not saying white people individually are responsible, i'm saying as a whole, yes i do think the black community is f*cked partly because of the white one. i can't see how they aren't at all at fault.

the white one oppressed the black one for hundreds of years, and then the 1960s comes along and everything is supposed to be fine and well now? i don't get it. how can you f*ck people over for hundreds of years and think they should be recovered in 1/5th of the time. how can you f*ck people over period, and not have any connection to their current problem?

maybe it's offensive to you. it's offense to me to be told i'm supposed to be glad slavery happened, so i guess we're even. i just don't understand when people don't think the black community and white communities problems aren't intertwined.

Are you insane? Do white people as a whole need to come out with a formal apology? The country has given your people an entire month in reverence to the hardship your people endured. We've taken as much responsibility as we can. Slavery ended in the 1860's. You can live in the past or you can look to the future. It's up to you.


There are African American people in power all around us. It's pretty clear your race is recovering and doesn't need the help of any more "reparation". Affirmative Action, Hate Crimes, Walfare, Section 8... good grief. How much more do you believe is needed to have a "fair" shot at life. Are you saying white people need to take responsibility for our actions and hand out another "crutch"? I don't feel bad for African Americans because I'm not a racist. I don't think they need anything because I believe they're capable of doing just as much as white people.

I'll say it again, as I have said it before. The African Americans of today aren't victims of slavery.

[brooklyneast05]

Are you insane? Do white people as a whole need to come out with a formal apology? The country has given your people an entire month in reverence to the hardship your people endured. We've taken as much responsibility as we can. Slavery ended in the 1860's. You can live in the past or you can look to the future. It's up to you.


There are African American people in power all around us. It's pretty clear your race is recovering and doesn't need the help of any more "reparation". Affirmative Action, Hate Crimes, Walfare, Section 8... good grief. How much more do you believe is needed to have a "fair" shot at life. Are you saying white people need to take responsibility for our actions and hand out another "crutch"? I don't feel bad for African Americans because I'm not a racist. I don't think they need anything because I believe they're capable of doing just as much as white people.

I'll say it again, as I have said it before. The African Americans of today aren't victims of slavery.

oh cool, a whole month. i feel better now. slavery ended in the 1860's, black oppression didn't, the white people weren't done being racist yet!

yeah my race is recovering, i'm not saying it's not. i'm saying it's silly to expect people who've been pushed down for hundreds of years to make a complete turn around from it in 50. i've already said i don't believe in paying reperations out unless it was in the form of investing money into education and what not. i don't think anyone needs to mail me a check. i don't think any of my white friends need to give me a jar full of money so we can be even. i am living in the future.

i do agree with michael ( you're pretty good for a little old white boy ) it's a very complex situation and there's a million different things to go into it. this is why i don't think it will ever happen, there isn't any way to go about it it doesn't seem like. like i said, it should have been done a long time ago. it wouldn't have been near as complex if they had just paid up then.

I have a little more to add to this discussion.

Black people were never the only slaves.

what other group in america are you talking about?

[Uronacid]

oh cool, a whole month. i feel better now. slavery ended in the 1860's, black oppression didn't, the white people weren't done being racist yet!

Again, what do you expect? Do you want me to acknowledge that African Americans need a crutch for things to be fair because of the sins of our forefathers. No, I refuse to further racism by suggesting they need some kind of crutch for fairness in present day America.

yeah my race is recovering, i'm not saying it's not. i'm saying it's silly to expect people who've been pushed down for hundreds of years to make a complete turn around from it in 50. i've already said i don't believe in paying reperations out unless it was in the form of investing money into education and what not. i don't think anyone needs to mail me a check. i don't think any of my white friends need to give me a jar full of money so we can be even. i am living in the future.

In that case I agree with you, you cannot expect a race of people who have been oppressed for 100's of years by not only American's by the natives of their own country to make a complete turn around within 2 generations, however you also cannot give them so many advantages in the sake of fairness that when they do in fact equalize they have unfair advantages other races.

[brooklyneast05]

Again, what do you expect? Do you want me to acknowledge that African Americans need a crutch for things to be fair because of the sins of our forefathers. No, I refuse to further racism by suggesting they need some kind of crutch for fairness in present day America.



In that case I agree with you, you cannot expect a race of people who have been oppressed for 100's of years by not only American's by the natives of their own country to make a complete turn around within 2 generations, however you also cannot give them so many advantages in the sake of fairness that when they do in fact equalize they have unfair advantages other races.

shrugs, i don't need a cruch. and i agree that they don't need to be given advantages to the point of it being unfair. i don't think it's wrong that they've gotten advantages or things like affirmative action though. i mean it's not our fault some people have to be forced into not being jackasses to other races.

Serious?...

serious about what? asking what group he was referring to? then yeah, i was serious in my asking him to be less vague.


edit: chill out everyone. i'm not disagreeing with 9001, i'm just asking what he was talking about

[Uronacid]

shrugs, i don't need a cruch. and i agree that they don't need to be given advantages to the point of it being unfair. i don't think it's wrong that they've gotten advantages or things like affirmative action though. i mean it's not our fault some people have to be forced into not being jackasses to other races.

Do you think that there will ever be a point in time where the races of the world have equalized and affirmative action can be removed? Eventually affirmative action will become an unfair advantage to "minorities". As they won't be minorities and will instead be accepted members of society.

[brooklyneast05]

Do you think that there will ever be a point in time where the races of the world have equalized and affirmative action can be removed?

yes. sometimes, a lot of the times, i think that time has already come. i don't feel like i need it. of course, then i always hear stories and stuff about employers and others still being racist and wonder if we still need it. i don't know. i don't think i need that kinda help personally. i don't want it becuase i'd like to think i'll be qualified enough on my own.

even when we remove it for race though, i still think we'll need it for gender. i think we need it for gender more now than anything.