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PurpleDaze112
post Apr 9 2009, 12:10 PM
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we talked about this in my history class. do you think black people should get reparations for slavery?

I actually do think so, and for these reasons.

1. they were PROMISED
2. slavery was an institution that not only displaced a people, but destroyed their culture and history
3. it would help the economy

reparations would cause each person of african descent (about 36 million in america)to get at least $10k. That would lead to new houses being purchased, cars bought, and educations paid for. Small businesses would be started too. And after all, Jews got reparations from the german gov't because of the holocaust, native americans get money for college from the feds, adn Japanese americans too. Slavery wasn't formally apologized for until bill clinton.
 
 
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brooklyneast05
post Apr 10 2009, 02:13 PM
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this is why i don't bother trying to have this discussion with white people. it's always something because they're in denial that at the end of the day, they didn't pay their debt. there is no way around it. they owed a lot, and they didn't and never will pay it. it's a bitch move, and it's more of a bitch move when white people act like they have no responsibility in the state of the black community today. what a joke. white people have some responsibility in the poor conditions of pretty much every minority here in my opinion.

slavery was abolished a long time ago, but it's not like everything was all grand once they abolished slavery. i mean white people still held black people down a really f*cking long time after that. i guess people forget that the civil rights movement wasn't that long ago.

it's a bunch of what ifs. nobody knows that i would have been worse off today if my ancestors hadn't been taken away and forced make another people rich. i don't know why people wanna act like if it wasn't for them i'd be dirt poor, naked, starving and living in a hut, as if that's how the entire continent of africa is. it's impossible to compare anyway because we're comparing the current US and the current africa. without the slave trade, we don't know the that US would be how it is today and we don't know that africa would either.

but it's whatever cause like i've said, if you're white, i don't even see a point in arguing with you. especially as long as people want me to be glad for everything that's happened to my family and community shrug.gif i just don't agree with that.


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oh i guess i haven't gotten my reparation yet then since i'm not on welfare and haven't known anyone in my family who has been.
 
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post Apr 10 2009, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 10 2009, 03:13 PM) *
it's a bitch move, and it's more of a bitch move when white people act like they have no responsibility in the state of the black community today. what a joke. white people have some respon...


I'm not acting like it's not out responsibility. I'm telling you it's not our responsibility. There are plenty of poor white people too. Bad things happen to everyone. This is the most racist thing I have ever seen you say.
 
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post Apr 10 2009, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 10 2009, 02:19 PM) *
I'm not acting like it's not out responsibility. I'm telling you it's not our responsibility. There are plenty of poor white people too. Bad things happen to everyone. This is the most racist thing I have ever seen you say.


i'm not saying white people individually are responsible, i'm saying as a whole, yes i do think the black community is f*cked partly because of the white one. i can't see how they aren't at all at fault.

the white one oppressed the black one for hundreds of years, and then the 1960s comes along and everything is supposed to be fine and well now? i don't get it. how can you f*ck people over for hundreds of years and think they should be recovered in 1/5th of the time. how can you f*ck people over period, and not have any connection to their current problem?

maybe it's offensive to you. it's offense to me to be told i'm supposed to be glad slavery happened, so i guess we're even. i just don't understand when people don't think the black community and white communities problems aren't intertwined.
 
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post Apr 10 2009, 02:59 PM
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i'm not saying white people individually are responsible, i'm saying as a whole, yes i do think the black community is f*cked partly because of the white one. i can't see how they aren't at all at fault.

the white one oppressed the black one for hundreds of years, and then the 1960s comes along and everything is supposed to be fine and well now? i don't get it. how can you f*ck people over for hundreds of years and think they should be recovered in 1/5th of the time. how can you f*ck people over period, and not have any connection to their current problem?

maybe it's offensive to you. it's offense to me to be told i'm supposed to be glad slavery happened, so i guess we're even. i just don't understand when people don't think the black community and white communities problems aren't intertwined.


Are you insane? Do white people as a whole need to come out with a formal apology? The country has given your people an entire month in reverence to the hardship your people endured. We've taken as much responsibility as we can. Slavery ended in the 1860's. You can live in the past or you can look to the future. It's up to you.


There are African American people in power all around us. It's pretty clear your race is recovering and doesn't need the help of any more "reparation". Affirmative Action, Hate Crimes, Walfare, Section 8... good grief. How much more do you believe is needed to have a "fair" shot at life. Are you saying white people need to take responsibility for our actions and hand out another "crutch"? I don't feel bad for African Americans because I'm not a racist. I don't think they need anything because I believe they're capable of doing just as much as white people.

I'll say it again, as I have said it before. The African Americans of today aren't victims of slavery.
 
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post Apr 10 2009, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 10 2009, 02:59 PM) *
Are you insane? Do white people as a whole need to come out with a formal apology? The country has given your people an entire month in reverence to the hardship your people endured. We've taken as much responsibility as we can. Slavery ended in the 1860's. You can live in the past or you can look to the future. It's up to you.


There are African American people in power all around us. It's pretty clear your race is recovering and doesn't need the help of any more "reparation". Affirmative Action, Hate Crimes, Walfare, Section 8... good grief. How much more do you believe is needed to have a "fair" shot at life. Are you saying white people need to take responsibility for our actions and hand out another "crutch"? I don't feel bad for African Americans because I'm not a racist. I don't think they need anything because I believe they're capable of doing just as much as white people.

I'll say it again, as I have said it before. The African Americans of today aren't victims of slavery.


oh cool, a whole month. i feel better now. slavery ended in the 1860's, black oppression didn't, the white people weren't done being racist yet!

yeah my race is recovering, i'm not saying it's not. i'm saying it's silly to expect people who've been pushed down for hundreds of years to make a complete turn around from it in 50. i've already said i don't believe in paying reperations out unless it was in the form of investing money into education and what not. i don't think anyone needs to mail me a check. i don't think any of my white friends need to give me a jar full of money so we can be even. i am living in the future.

i do agree with michael ( you're pretty good for a little old white boy seasonal0.gif) it's a very complex situation and there's a million different things to go into it. this is why i don't think it will ever happen, there isn't any way to go about it it doesn't seem like. like i said, it should have been done a long time ago. it wouldn't have been near as complex if they had just paid up then.

QUOTE(9001 @ Apr 10 2009, 03:07 PM) *
I have a little more to add to this discussion.

Black people were never the only slaves.


what other group in america are you talking about?
 

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PurpleDaze112   reparations   Apr 9 2009, 12:10 PM
WarMachine   I honestly don't give a shit. I wouldn't b...   Apr 9 2009, 12:17 PM
Uronacid   Slavery is long gone done and over with. We have a...   Apr 9 2009, 01:58 PM
WarMachine   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 9 2009, 02:58 PM) Th...   Apr 9 2009, 02:10 PM
brooklyneast05   i'm with brandon in that i don't really ca...   Apr 9 2009, 03:24 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 9 2009, 04:24 ...   Apr 10 2009, 10:33 AM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 10 2009, 10:33 AM) I...   Apr 10 2009, 10:40 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 10 2009, 11:40...   Apr 10 2009, 10:44 AM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 10 2009, 10:44 AM) O...   Apr 10 2009, 10:49 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 10 2009, 11:49...   Apr 10 2009, 10:57 AM
9001   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 10 2009, 10:44 AM) O...   Apr 10 2009, 10:57 AM
9001   It's not that it would be a bad thing, but it ...   Apr 10 2009, 10:34 AM
9001   Sure some good came out of it, but at the expense ...   Apr 10 2009, 11:12 AM
Uronacid   To Brooklyn: I missed your question earlier. I don...   Apr 10 2009, 11:59 AM
schizo   I don't see how giving out $10k to every ...   Apr 10 2009, 12:36 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(schizo @ Apr 10 2009, 01:36 PM) Sla...   Apr 10 2009, 12:58 PM
illmortal   They do get reparations. It's called Section 8...   Apr 10 2009, 02:05 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(illmortal @ Apr 10 2009, 03:05 PM) ...   Apr 10 2009, 02:10 PM
brooklyneast05   this is why i don't bother trying to have this...   Apr 10 2009, 02:13 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 10 2009, 03:13...   Apr 10 2009, 02:19 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 10 2009, 02:19 PM) I...   Apr 10 2009, 02:26 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 10 2009, 03:26...   Apr 10 2009, 02:59 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 10 2009, 02:59 PM) A...   Apr 10 2009, 03:24 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 10 2009, 04:24...   Apr 10 2009, 03:53 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 10 2009, 03:53 PM) A...   Apr 10 2009, 04:07 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 10 2009, 05:07...   Apr 10 2009, 04:15 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 10 2009, 04:15 PM) D...   Apr 10 2009, 04:22 PM
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illmortal   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 10 2009, 05:15 PM) D...   Apr 10 2009, 04:28 PM
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illmortal   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 10 2009, 04:24...   Apr 10 2009, 03:58 PM
9001   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 10 2009, 02:24...   Apr 10 2009, 03:59 PM
superstitious   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 10 2009, 03:24...   Apr 10 2009, 04:07 PM
illmortal   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 10 2009, 03:13...   Apr 10 2009, 02:57 PM
superstitious   I think that the general use of "whites...   Apr 10 2009, 02:46 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(superstitious @ Apr 10 2009, 02:46 ...   Apr 10 2009, 02:48 PM
mipadi   QUOTE(superstitious @ Apr 10 2009, 03:46 ...   Apr 10 2009, 03:04 PM
superstitious   All good, JC. Just giving an additional perspecti...   Apr 10 2009, 02:49 PM
brooklyneast05   no i know what you mean. and my use of "white...   Apr 10 2009, 02:53 PM
9001   I have a little more to add to this discussion. B...   Apr 10 2009, 03:07 PM
superstitious   ^ I wasn't been non-chill, I was trying to ans...   Apr 10 2009, 04:09 PM
brooklyneast05   no worries. people misunderstood my question.   Apr 10 2009, 04:12 PM
9001   I was being chill. And I answered your question. ...   Apr 10 2009, 04:14 PM
brooklyneast05   i know. i wasn't calling you non chill   Apr 10 2009, 04:15 PM
hypnotique   Fuck no.   Apr 10 2009, 04:25 PM
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WarMachine   I don't like this debate at all. I'm just ...   Apr 10 2009, 04:39 PM
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brooklyneast05   50 replies to this topic. we did pretty good   Apr 10 2009, 05:11 PM
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karmakiller   I started reading the replies to this topic and di...   Apr 10 2009, 07:24 PM
BamBamBoogie   Well I believe that it would be completely unfair ...   Apr 10 2009, 07:41 PM
PrinceGonnaChokeaBEECH   QUOTE(PurpleDaze112 @ Apr 9 2009, 01:10 P...   Apr 11 2009, 03:43 PM
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brooklyneast05   QUOTE(PurpleDaze112 @ Apr 13 2009, 07:24 ...   Apr 13 2009, 07:30 AM
heartquasm   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Apr 13 2009, 08:30...   Apr 14 2009, 11:16 AM
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heartquasm   QUOTE(9001 @ Apr 18 2009, 09:18 PM) I don...   Apr 19 2009, 09:08 AM
hypnotique   QUOTE(PurpleDaze112 @ Apr 13 2009, 07:24 ...   Apr 13 2009, 10:25 PM
WarMachine   QUOTE(PurpleDaze112 @ Apr 13 2009, 08:24 ...   Apr 14 2009, 07:03 AM
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brooklyneast05   it was kinda funny, we had a debate about this in ...   Apr 14 2009, 11:32 AM
brooklyneast05   sigh. if only you had corrected what was actually ...   Apr 14 2009, 11:36 AM
Stuckie   He probalby aint gonna figure it out .   Apr 15 2009, 09:32 AM
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leyvacu   I really dont think they should in one way or anot...   Apr 22 2009, 03:43 PM
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