socialism v. capitalism: Rating Options

[NoSex]

i view capitalism as a mode of economic & social infancy. i think that it is regressive to society, poisonous, & under-developing.

i point to these basic "flaws" in capitalism*:
1. the emphasis on profit as opposed to utility.
2. the creation of oligarchy & plutocracy.
3. the unfair/uneven distribution of wealth.
4. the creation of a significant class divide.
5. the inability of capitalism, alone, to provide the people with necessities.
6. the exploitation of the working class.
7. the existence of crime in excess, caused by class struggle, poverty, & proletariat anxiety.
8. the creation of an oppressive institution (i.e. the police state, the church, the education system) in order to secure profits to a specific & elite population.

i point to these basic "benefits" in socialism*:
1. the emphasis on utility.
2. the destruction of plutocracy & (in many forms) oligarchy.
3. the fair distribution of wealth.
4. the destruction of a significant class divide.
5. the ability of socialism to provide for its people, necessities.
6. the affirmation of the working class.
7. the absence of crime invoked by squalor & proletariat anxiety.
8. the destruction of specific oppressive institutions & the opportunity to reform the state (i.e. despite the pull of capital & profits).

DISCUSS.

*quotation marks provided for argument's sake. whatever.

[illriginal]

Dood... Uronacid, in order for someone to live by themselves with that sort of wage... they couldn't even own a car, no cell phone, no fast food, nor any form of entertainment. They would work just to pay rent (no where in South Florida can you find an apartment for $400 or even $500 a month), electricity, groceries (barely any groceries at that), and possibly cable.

Forget owning a car, forget saving money, forget owning a cell phone, forget buying new things such as clothes, jewelry, fragrances, shoes etc.. I could never work just to pay bills.. I would feel like a slave!

Minimum wage, like I said earlier, is more for highschool kids, possibly college students. It is not meant for an adult who has or wants to have a normal enjoying life. Minimum wage is straight slave labor money.


Just to give an idea on just groceries a lone. I live with my lady and between me and her our groceries easily hit $300+ a month. Granted we do bulk shopping so that we save money... if we were to buy as much food at a normal grocery store we'd be spending more like $450 a month.

[Uronacid]

Dood... Uronacid, in order for someone to live by themselves with that sort of wage... they couldn't even own a car, no cell phone, no fast food, nor any form of entertainment. They would work just to pay rent (no where in South Florida can you find an apartment for $400 or even $500 a month), electricity, groceries (barely any groceries at that), and possibly cable.

Forget owning a car, forget saving money, forget owning a cell phone, forget buying new things such as clothes, jewelry, fragrances, shoes etc.. I could never work just to pay bills.. I would feel like a slave!

You can find a 1 bedroom apartment in NY(upstate) for 450 a month. You can do it in Florida.

Joe works out for fun. He's a real brute. Also, with that $350 he is saving each month he has decided to invest in a PS3 because he heard from his friends that he could install linux and steal his neighbors internet. He hopes to obtain new skills from his new found hobby and hopefully find a new job. No-one wants to live like this, Joe is doing it to survive and he's very offended by your slave comment. After all, this is what he needs to do.

[illriginal]

You can find a 1 bedroom apartment in NY(upstate) for 450 a month. You can do it in Florida.

Joe works out for fun. He's a real brute. Also, with that $350 he is saving each month he has decided to invest in a PS3 because he heard from his friends that he could install linux and steal his neighbors internet. He hopes to obtain new skills from his new found hobby and hopefully find a new job.

lol what? In New York? No. Definitely not... I know a shit load of people who even got a studio and that was pushing nearly $700 a month. And even so... do know how what kind of taxes are in New York? What if you're a smoker? A pack of New Ports in NY costs $9.50... here in South Florida, it just raised about another dollar and now costs $4.75-ish.

Meh nevermind... you probably live with mom and dad and don't understand the reality of minimum wage when tryin to have a life.



What's with the Joe story? And you don't have to install Linux to steal someone's wireless connection on your PS3..

Oh I get it... Joe should use his brain and get an education. That way he can stop being another corporate slave.