socialism v. capitalism: Rating Options

[NoSex]

i view capitalism as a mode of economic & social infancy. i think that it is regressive to society, poisonous, & under-developing.

i point to these basic "flaws" in capitalism*:
1. the emphasis on profit as opposed to utility.
2. the creation of oligarchy & plutocracy.
3. the unfair/uneven distribution of wealth.
4. the creation of a significant class divide.
5. the inability of capitalism, alone, to provide the people with necessities.
6. the exploitation of the working class.
7. the existence of crime in excess, caused by class struggle, poverty, & proletariat anxiety.
8. the creation of an oppressive institution (i.e. the police state, the church, the education system) in order to secure profits to a specific & elite population.

i point to these basic "benefits" in socialism*:
1. the emphasis on utility.
2. the destruction of plutocracy & (in many forms) oligarchy.
3. the fair distribution of wealth.
4. the destruction of a significant class divide.
5. the ability of socialism to provide for its people, necessities.
6. the affirmation of the working class.
7. the absence of crime invoked by squalor & proletariat anxiety.
8. the destruction of specific oppressive institutions & the opportunity to reform the state (i.e. despite the pull of capital & profits).

DISCUSS.

*quotation marks provided for argument's sake. whatever.

[illriginal]

Blame welfare. It makes people lazy and expect hand outs.

[Uronacid]

shrugs, i'm just thinking of people who have been f*cked since day one. like minorities who got thrown into poverty and are still trying to figure out how to get out. how to get educated when you're stuck somewhere with shitty schools. how to get a college education so you can get a better job when you're family needs you to go to work asap so you can buy food.

i don't get how people are always supposed to find time to get ahead while they're trying to just get by.

Like the slaves? How far are you going back. Are you talking about immigrants? What minorities are being thrown into poverty now? I thought myself in public school because the education sucked there. If I hadn't taken that initiative then I would've been stupid just like the rest of the kids in my class. Maybe the first step these people should take is to get away from what's dragging them down... their family.

Blame welfare. It makes people lazy and expect hand outs.

This is a good point, systems like welfare prolong the poverty cycle for those that abuse it.

is that supposed to be a reply to what i just said...becuase i don't get how that's even relevant to people who work hard everyday to get by but can't get ahead in the world.

Do you honestly believe those people who are on welfare think they're lazy. Of course they're not lazy. They're "always" looking for a job. They just "can't" do anything without the help of the gov't. They make the people who work hard and get screwed look like they're crying wolf.