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Violence & Abuse
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post Feb 20 2009, 07:07 PM
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What is it and what's your stance on it? If a woman hits a man, does he have the right to hit her back? If you get in an argument and it starts getting physical, at what point is it domestic violence? What's the line between child abuse and punishment?

I happened to read a comment on an article from MTV about the whole Rihanna & Chris Brown thing that sort of pissed me off. It's actually kind of funny, but...

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She deserved it because: 1. She married a black man. Come on! Everyone knows that this is what black men do. Everyone knows this is part of "Black Culture." Black women like to shoot off their mouth and try to hit their men and then when they lose the fight they want him to go to jail. I am sick a this PC society where the REAL truth about people is covered up and all we hear on the news and this stupid comment board is that he is a "pig" or a "pu$$y" or an "animal." Wake up people! If a woman hits a man then she deserves to get hit back until she has learned her lesson. 2. She laughed at Britany Spears. It was all funny to Rihanna when Spears was going through a hard time publicly. Rihanna made the decision to be with this "proud black man"and she got what her decision earned her. Spears made the decision to do the drugs that were ruining her and she got what her decision earned her. Rihanna and many others laughed at Spears so Rihanna EARNED this public humiliation. 3. You have to be a real b1tch to get this bad. Chris Brown is not some crazed chimp like the one who attacked a woman in the Northeast. He is a human. She earned this beating through her own actions. She is not innocent. Brown did not just snap and start beating her from a normal argument. She MADE this happen. 4. If drugs or alcohol were involved then she still deserved it. This is like that stupid Phil Hartman killing. Hartman knew his wife was on drugs for years. He did them with her. He supplied her. They say he tried to clean himself up, but he had to pay the piper. Rihanna is learning the same lesson. If she and Brown are doing drugs then beatdowns are part of the package and she earned that too. 5. It is not racists nor is it wrong to point out the facts that you PC cowards run away from. It is a lie to say that "no woman ever deserves this" or "no one ever deserves this." YES THEY DO! This kind of beating teaches lessons such as don't mess with a man to the point that he beats you like this. This does not mean that all beatings are justified, but it is pretty obvious that Rihanna proved to all of us her lack of character during the Spears situation. People with a lack of character like Rihanna deserve to get beat like this. She earned it in every way.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1605533/2...0/rihanna.jhtml

lol, wtf man.

Anyways, I personally think deliberately hurting someone who's physically weaker than you and unable to defend him/herself is wrong.
 
 
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post Feb 20 2009, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(heartquasm @ Feb 20 2009, 07:07 PM) *
What is it and what's your stance on it? If a woman hits a man, does he have the right to hit her back? If you get in an argument and it starts getting physical, at what point is it domestic violence? What's the line between child abuse and punishment?

Anyways, I personally think deliberately hurting someone who's physically weaker than you and unable to defend him/herself is wrong.


I personally think that whoever gets hit first has the right to hit the person back regardless of gender. The whole "women are weaker than men and should not be hit idea" is a load of rubbish. What happened to "equality"? Or does that just not touch base in this playing field? If a woman hits a man first, depending on the situation (if she was attacking him, like trying to seriously hurt him), he should restrain her and refrain from hitting her, but do so if he must. It's complicated to elaborate on, especially when you try to convince people they should be able to, because everyone "knows" that a man can't hit a woman.

Switching to the easier topic, I think there's a fine line between punishing your child and abusing him/her. Pain or injury is not a form of punishment. There are more effective and less violent ways to teach your child a lesson than to hit or hurt them. Would you do such to a teenager? No, you sit down and have a discussion. You can do the same thing with a child ages 5 and up since they start to exhibit naughty behavior at this age. I'd know such since I attend a vocational high school and Early Childhood Education and Teaching is my profession. When a child misbehaves, we sit them down and have a chat with them - ask them if they know what they did wrong. If they don't we tell them and explain to them why that behavior was unacceptable. The only physical contact that comes to play is restraining the child if he/she is not paying attention and is trying to leave. That, or when we need to take a child away from an area to sit them down and they aren't cooperating - we'll have to either pick them up or take them by the hand. It goes no further than that.

I've read books on this subject and I understand that some parents get frustrated incredibly easy, and means other than violence don't get rid of that frustration - they want something real and living to hurt, something that won't fight back - an incredibly upsetting and horrible thing to do (same goes for animal abuse), but people like that need dire help.

Like I said, there's a fine line between punishment and child abuse. It's a sad day in the Earth when people can't tell when they've gone too far. I mean, read the book "A Child Called It" for several examples.
 
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post Feb 20 2009, 10:27 PM
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I personally think that whoever gets hit first has the right to hit the person back regardless of gender. The whole "women are weaker than men and should not be hit idea" is a load of rubbish. What happened to "equality"? Or does that just not touch base in this playing field? If a woman hits a man first, depending on the situation (if she was attacking him, like trying to seriously hurt him), he should restrain her and refrain from hitting her, but do so if he must. It's complicated to elaborate on, especially when you try to convince people they should be able to, because everyone "knows" that a man can't hit a woman.


I do agree with this somewhat. I think that a lot of it has to do with the intent and reason behind why you hit someone. If you're upset and you use someone as a punching bag to take out your frustrations on, that's wrong. If you get pissed that your spouse is hitting you and hit them back in retaliation and spite, it might seem justified, but I think it's still wrong. However, if you get hit first and strike the other person as a way to inhibit them from hitting you again, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

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Switching to the easier topic, I think there's a fine line between punishing your child and abusing him/her. Pain or injury is not a form of punishment. There are more effective and less violent ways to teach your child a lesson than to hit or hurt them. Would you do such to a teenager? No, you sit down and have a discussion. You can do the same thing with a child ages 5 and up since they start to exhibit naughty behavior at this age. I'd know such since I attend a vocational high school and Early Childhood Education and Teaching is my profession. When a child misbehaves, we sit them down and have a chat with them - ask them if they know what they did wrong. If they don't we tell them and explain to them why that behavior was unacceptable. The only physical contact that comes to play is restraining the child if he/she is not paying attention and is trying to leave. That, or when we need to take a child away from an area to sit them down and they aren't cooperating - we'll have to either pick them up or take them by the hand. It goes no further than that.

I've read books on this subject and I understand that some parents get frustrated incredibly easy, and means other than violence don't get rid of that frustration - they want something real and living to hurt, something that won't fight back - an incredibly upsetting and horrible thing to do (same goes for animal abuse), but people like that need dire help.

Like I said, there's a fine line between punishment and child abuse. It's a sad day in the Earth when people can't tell when they've gone too far. I mean, read the book "A Child Called It" for several examples.


I agree with this. I'm a neuro major and in my social and personality development class, we went through a study where it's shown that kids feel more inclined to obey their parents when their parents show their disapproval through disappointment and words rather than through physical spanking and such. I told my mom this and she laughed at me. sad.gif
 

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