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 Nov 7 2008, 12:50 AM
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We just finished up reading The Prince and The Discourses by Machiavelli and I thought some of the ideas he brings up are very interesting and controversial. I almost wish we could spend more than just a week discussing Machiavelli, because there's just so much to talk about.
The basic Machiavellian idea is that in order to be a successful ruler, you must be able and willing to do evil/wrong/bad/malicious things to promote the stability of the state. Up until Machiavelli, we've heard time after time about the just ruler, the philosopher king, importance of values, etc. In The Discourses, everything and anything is justifiable as long as it is in the interest of the state, including murder, manipulation, breaking promises/vows, anything that goes against the values instilled in regular humans. There's really no moral or immoral, just... what is best for the state? What are your thoughts about this? Do you see Obama as a Machiavellian ruler? |
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Nov 19 2008, 01:39 AM
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 durian Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 13,124 Joined: Feb 2004 Member No: 3,860 |
Rofl Machiavellianism.
GG TOPIC CLOSED jk ;x |
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Nov 19 2008, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE(Just_Dream @ Nov 19 2008, 12:39 AM)  Rofl Machiavellianism. GG TOPIC CLOSED jk ;x You should debate more. |
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heartquasm Machiavellianism & Politics Nov 7 2008, 12:50 AM
fameONE Ooo, maybe.
There isn't a doubt in my mind th... Nov 7 2008, 01:35 AM
kryogenix QUOTE(fameONE @ Nov 7 2008, 12:35 AM) I w... Nov 7 2008, 04:58 AM brooklyneast05 widespread support just like last time Nov 7 2008, 08:19 AM fameONE There was widespread support for invading Afghanis... Nov 7 2008, 08:58 AM brooklyneast05 i don't think that i think a ruler/leader/what... Nov 7 2008, 10:53 AM fameONE "To protect the good, you must deal with evil... Nov 7 2008, 09:27 PM brooklyneast05 ^yes i would.
but then...i don't know that i... Nov 7 2008, 09:43 PM fameONE I see your point.
Barack Obama just seems like he... Nov 8 2008, 12:11 AM heartquasm Well, from what I understand, Machiavelli says tha... Nov 8 2008, 12:36 AM fameONE ^Oil is a factor, but it's, more or less, abou... Nov 8 2008, 12:56 AM heartquasm And just another point, this time in relevance to ... Nov 8 2008, 12:56 PM Just_Dream I haven't read the Discourses by Nicollo Machi... Nov 8 2008, 04:04 PM heartquasm lol, I was watching Angel and Fred just mentioned ... Nov 9 2008, 10:17 PM Just_Dream QUOTE(fameONE @ Nov 18 2008, 10:44 PM) Yo... Nov 19 2008, 04:44 AM brooklyneast05 QUOTE(Just_Dream @ Nov 19 2008, 05:44 AM)... Nov 19 2008, 07:37 AM heartquasm CHRISTINA! I would just like to say that I ... Dec 5 2008, 11:38 AM Just_Dream QUOTE(heartquasm @ Dec 5 2008, 08:38 AM) ... Dec 5 2008, 08:08 PM |
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