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CA's Prop 8, FL's amendment 2 and Arizona's prop 102/ Defining marriage, Surprised this never got mentioned here.
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Blaqheartedstar
post Oct 29 2008, 09:15 PM
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Surprised this never got mentioned here. CA's Prop 8, FL's amendment 2 and Arizona's prop 102, and the whole defining gay marriage. With election coming up pretty soon, Prop 8 has been a big issue.

The argument is that Prop 8, amendment 2 and prop 102 will define that marriage between a man and a woman will be the only legal kind of marriage in California for prop 8, Florida for amendment 2, and Arizona with prop 102.

Some people argue that it has nothing to do with gay rights, or about gays in general
yet mention that if it doesn't pass parental rights, and religious freedom gets taken away.

Others mention that it does (take away gay rights), If the law passes Same sex couples will not be able to
1. Marry the person they love.
2. Those who are already married will lose the rights that come with it.


There is also the argument that Marriage is about love regardless of gender (Love is Blind).
yet others strongly believe that marriage is a religious, spiritual union between a man and a women.

To start a discussion here are several questions
1. what do you feel will happen if these laws passes and soon spreads to other states?
2. What do you feel marriage is, and should the idea of same sex marriage be allowed?
3. What do you think will happen to the children whose parents happen to be both male or female, If these laws passes what do you think will happen to the children?
 
 
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post Oct 31 2008, 12:16 PM
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The government should be involved in marriage because marriage gives two people certain rights boyfriend and girlfriend don't have. Although, to me marriage is really nothing but a legal binding of two, or maybe even three, people. It certainly doesn't make two people love each other, which I think is the reason gay marriage is taboo to others is because people are afraid gay people might love each other, but they don't realize they already do. When you don't allow people to get married, you're not stopping the people from loving each other, you're just not giving them the rights they deserve to have. Obviously when you give two people the right to marriage, it's not going to turn into "I want to marry my dog". No. In our society people are the ones to hold all the rights. Not animals, although I disagree, but that's another argument. Two or even three people should have the right to marriage if they wish to, because the point is you're not stopping them from loving each other, you really can't stop anyone from liking anything. You're just depriving them of rights every over human has based on what they like, and that's really stupid. Who cares if the bible says "marriage should be between a man and woman", the bible is not the constitution.

Why are we allowing people to do this? It's very hateful, it's like discriminating against a whole entire race. We're taking their rights away that they should lawfully have under the constitution, and why? Just because they happen to like the same sex. So what? People have been doing that for centuries, but it's in a society like this where different things should be allowed to happen. In history, they have. Like women's rights and black people's rights. But.. why are we taking away normal people's rights? Sounds really unjust when you think about it, doesn't it? No matter what religious background you have.

By the way, gay parents aren't bad. The children of gay people might have a way better life than they could have elsewhere, even with a heterosexual couple. I seriously doubt that living with two gay people will screw up someone's life, or make them gay themselves. Gay people don't intentionally make other people gay, if you like someone, you just like them and can you really help when you like other people? Gay people don't care about you non-gay people, they don't want you, you're not gay. You may think, but they call me hot! Well, people call Britney hot right now, but that doesn't mean they want her, after all who wants an STD bag? Stop thinking that. The children of gays will be just as corrupted as any other children.
 

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Blaqheartedstar   CA's Prop 8, FL's amendment 2 and Arizona's prop 102/ Defining marriage   Oct 29 2008, 09:15 PM
Blaqheartedstar   ^ great find. The issue has been out for some time...   Oct 29 2008, 09:46 PM
amplifyy   I say no on CA's Prop 8. I believe that people...   Oct 29 2008, 09:52 PM
Blaqheartedstar   People really need to look up the new laws in the ...   Oct 29 2008, 10:09 PM
Joss-eh-lime   yes on 8. i believe in heterosexual couples being...   Oct 29 2008, 11:40 PM
coconutter   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Oct 30 2008, 1...   Oct 30 2008, 04:42 PM
Blaqheartedstar   Voting yes means that you approve of marriage bein...   Oct 30 2008, 01:57 AM
cakedout   mar⋅riage   [mar-ij] Show IPA ...   Oct 30 2008, 02:45 AM
Blaqheartedstar   QUOTEMarriage Marriage or wedlock is an interperso...   Oct 30 2008, 06:27 AM
cakedout   QUOTE(Blaqheartedstar @ Oct 30 2008, 04:2...   Nov 1 2008, 05:39 PM
Blaqheartedstar   ^ good point. One guys argues that some how if pr...   Oct 30 2008, 10:31 PM
rjohnson1991   QUOTE(Blaqheartedstar @ Oct 30 2008, 10:3...   Nov 1 2008, 11:34 PM
Aberisk   In my opinion I believe marriage started out as a ...   Oct 30 2008, 10:58 PM
only-tuesdays   QUOTE(Aberisk @ Oct 30 2008, 08:58 PM) In...   Oct 31 2008, 01:56 PM
coconutter   The government should be involved in marriage beca...   Oct 31 2008, 12:16 PM
brooklyneast05   ^if you don't see a place for government in ma...   Oct 31 2008, 02:11 PM
Aberisk   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Oct 31 2008, 02:11...   Oct 31 2008, 05:17 PM
coconutter   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Oct 31 2008, 03:11...   Oct 31 2008, 08:16 PM
only-tuesdays   I understand the legalities of marriage. But I don...   Oct 31 2008, 02:27 PM
kryogenix   I say who the f**k cares what gay people do, so lo...   Oct 31 2008, 02:39 PM
Joss-eh-lime   Does my public school teach me about the creation ...   Oct 31 2008, 05:41 PM
Reidar   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Oct 31 2008, 0...   Oct 31 2008, 08:40 PM
Blaqheartedstar   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Oct 31 2008, 0...   Nov 1 2008, 11:37 PM
only-tuesdays   Because unfortunately this is not a country where ...   Oct 31 2008, 06:22 PM
AyeVickaye   Damns the gov. should let people marry who they wa...   Oct 31 2008, 06:30 PM
fameONE   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Oct 31 2008, 0...   Nov 1 2008, 02:58 AM
kryogenix   José Limo. Imo, to Christians, the Bible should n...   Nov 1 2008, 08:54 AM
Joss-eh-lime   so what if my beliefs contratict yours? i can stil...   Nov 1 2008, 02:47 PM
coconutter   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Nov 1 2008, 03...   Nov 1 2008, 07:17 PM
brooklyneast05   ^no it's becuase you don't give any real r...   Nov 1 2008, 03:13 PM
Joss-eh-lime   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 1 2008, 01:13 ...   Nov 2 2008, 12:39 AM
only-tuesdays   Using your personal beliefs isn't an argument ...   Nov 1 2008, 05:07 PM
Reidar   As anti-theistic as I am, Joss-eh-lime didn't ...   Nov 1 2008, 08:37 PM
dosomethin888   This is a tricky one for me. Would I vote for Prop...   Nov 1 2008, 10:35 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 1 2008, 10:35 P...   Nov 1 2008, 11:14 PM
Reidar   There is no evidence to the favor of Biblical even...   Nov 1 2008, 10:51 PM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(Reidar @ Nov 1 2008, 08:51 PM) Ther...   Nov 1 2008, 11:09 PM
only-tuesdays   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 1 2008, 09:09 P...   Nov 1 2008, 11:15 PM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(only-tuesdays @ Nov 1 2008, 09...   Nov 1 2008, 11:25 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 1 2008, 11:25 P...   Nov 1 2008, 11:28 PM
Blaqheartedstar   QUOTE(cakedout @ Nov 1 2008, 06:39 PM) th...   Nov 1 2008, 11:29 PM
only-tuesdays   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 1 2008, 08:35 P...   Nov 1 2008, 11:37 PM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(only-tuesdays @ Nov 1 2008, 09...   Nov 1 2008, 11:46 PM
only-tuesdays   ^Actually there has been some research that sugges...   Nov 2 2008, 12:55 AM
Joss-eh-lime   ^oh rly? well i'll wait around untill they PRO...   Nov 2 2008, 01:00 AM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Nov 2 2008, 01...   Nov 2 2008, 01:06 AM
only-tuesdays   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Nov 1 2008, 11...   Nov 2 2008, 01:12 AM
Joss-eh-lime   mmk JC, cuz it was really that funny... of cours...   Nov 2 2008, 01:18 AM
Blaqheartedstar   ditto QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Nov 2 20...   Nov 2 2008, 03:08 AM
brooklyneast05   yeah just because something is in a text book does...   Nov 2 2008, 01:26 AM
Joss-eh-lime   ^this is what i had said: QUOTEand another thing i...   Nov 2 2008, 07:38 PM
Blaqheartedstar   I used them as a example, being gay is as NATURAL ...   Nov 2 2008, 08:29 PM
paperplane   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Oct 31 2008, 0...   Nov 2 2008, 08:33 PM
Blaqheartedstar   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 2 2008, 08:33 PM) ...   Nov 2 2008, 08:44 PM
Reidar   QUOTE(Blaqheartedstar @ Nov 2 2008, 08:44...   Nov 2 2008, 09:10 PM
Joss-eh-lime   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 2 2008, 05:33 PM) ...   Nov 3 2008, 12:21 AM
brooklyneast05   prob because quoting from the old testament will s...   Nov 2 2008, 08:46 PM
paperplane   QUOTE(article)Parents can excuse their child from ...   Nov 2 2008, 09:15 PM
Reidar   Not really, because the original premise was Joss-...   Nov 2 2008, 09:41 PM
paperplane   Because by not providing a link, or ever directly ...   Nov 2 2008, 10:12 PM
Reidar   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 2 2008, 10:12 PM) ...   Nov 3 2008, 12:49 AM
paperplane   QUOTE(Reidar @ Nov 3 2008, 12:49 AM) Abse...   Nov 3 2008, 01:02 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 2 2008, 11:02 PM) ...   Nov 3 2008, 01:03 AM
Blaqheartedstar   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 3 2008, 01:03 A...   Nov 3 2008, 01:06 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(Blaqheartedstar @ Nov 2 2008, 11:06...   Nov 3 2008, 01:08 AM
dosomethin888   It doesnt matter if a parent can "opt out...   Nov 2 2008, 10:12 PM
paperplane   Google a seemingly baseless offhand comment? Yeah....   Nov 2 2008, 10:54 PM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 2 2008, 08:54 PM) ...   Nov 2 2008, 11:12 PM
Blaqheartedstar   off topic but check this out http://grove.ufl.edu/...   Nov 2 2008, 11:23 PM
TiffanyFactorial   We don't learn about marriage in public school...   Nov 2 2008, 11:28 PM
Blaqheartedstar   exactly. People are all like i don't want my c...   Nov 2 2008, 11:57 PM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(Blaqheartedstar @ Nov 2 2008, 09:57...   Nov 3 2008, 12:02 AM
paperplane   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 2 2008, 11:12 P...   Nov 3 2008, 12:08 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 2 2008, 10:08 PM) ...   Nov 3 2008, 12:26 AM
only-tuesdays   Private schools are expensive, but they also offer...   Nov 3 2008, 12:25 AM
Blaqheartedstar   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Nov 3 2008, 12...   Nov 3 2008, 12:32 AM
paperplane   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Nov 3 2008, 12...   Nov 3 2008, 12:35 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 2 2008, 10:35 PM) ...   Nov 3 2008, 12:40 AM
Joss-eh-lime   blackheartedstar; i said stops its growth. not era...   Nov 3 2008, 12:37 AM
Blaqheartedstar   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Nov 3 2008, 12...   Nov 3 2008, 12:57 AM
paperplane   Not at all, and this is why I avoid debates about ...   Nov 3 2008, 12:44 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 2 2008, 10:44 PM) ...   Nov 3 2008, 12:50 AM
Reidar   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 3 2008, 12:50 A...   Nov 3 2008, 12:56 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(Reidar @ Nov 2 2008, 10:56 PM) This...   Nov 3 2008, 12:59 AM
Blaqheartedstar   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 3 2008, 12:59 A...   Nov 3 2008, 01:03 AM
Reidar   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 3 2008, 12:59 A...   Nov 3 2008, 01:19 AM
only-tuesdays   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 2 2008, 09:50 P...   Nov 3 2008, 01:09 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(only-tuesdays @ Nov 2 2008, 11...   Nov 3 2008, 01:18 AM
only-tuesdays   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 2 2008, 10:18 P...   Nov 3 2008, 01:24 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(only-tuesdays @ Nov 2 2008, 11...   Nov 3 2008, 01:37 AM
only-tuesdays   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 2 2008, 10:37 P...   Nov 3 2008, 01:56 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(only-tuesdays @ Nov 2 2008, 11...   Nov 3 2008, 01:59 AM
Joss-eh-lime   do something: your final point about creationism i...   Nov 3 2008, 12:51 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Nov 2 2008, 10...   Nov 3 2008, 12:55 AM
paperplane   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 3 2008, 12:50 A...   Nov 3 2008, 01:08 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 2 2008, 11:08 PM) ...   Nov 3 2008, 01:15 AM
Blaqheartedstar   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 3 2008, 01:08 A...   Nov 3 2008, 01:14 AM
paperplane   QUOTE(dosomethin888 @ Nov 3 2008, 01:15 A...   Nov 3 2008, 01:36 AM
paperplane   Whoa whoa whoa, no findings have found that ...   Nov 3 2008, 01:47 AM
dosomethin888   QUOTE(paperplane @ Nov 2 2008, 11:47 PM) ...   Nov 3 2008, 01:53 AM
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