The 2008 Election:, Obama v. McCain Options

[NoSex]

So, political discourse has been showing up more and more the closer and closer we get to November. As a result, I've decided that this thread should exist. All political arguments that relate to the elections (and the candidates) should find their home here, more or less.

Who do you think should run America? Why?
What direction do you think America is going in, as a country? What direction do you think we should go in? Why?

Support your arguments with evidence and details, make citations, try to have fun; no spamming, character bashing, etc. etc.

[brooklyneast05]

^this is from our convo in the prostitution thread since we can't continue there.

Patriot Act.. Im gonna let that go cause honestly I dont know much about it. Ill go read up on it and get back to you.
Secondly, I am sick and tired of my hard earned money going to ridiculous things.. and Im not going to work my ass off in college for 4 years to make a good living and have my taxes go to people who sit on their ass. Granted, I do agree that minimum wage is pretty low and can be raised a few dollars.. but its ridiculous for it to go up to a "living wage." Sorry. Everyone in todays society knows that if you have no education, you have low chances of having a good career. So get off your ass and work. And the thing about illegal immigrants. I propose that we kick those mooching illegal immigrants out of our country. If they want all of the rights and privelegs that come with being an American Citizen, they need to become a citizen the right way. We need to tighten our borders and that is something I would want my taxes going to. I cant believe there are some people out there who think people who are living in this country for FREE and paying NO taxes should have our rights. Its f**king ridiculous.

explain to me why you think it's ridiculous that you should actually be able to live and have basic necessities on your wage? you make no sense to me. you say it's ok to raise the minimum wage, yet it's ridiculous to have a living wage. why?? obama wants to raise the minimum wage, to one that is LIVABLE and accounts for things like inflation. are you just a idiot and don't know what you're talking about or do you not care about minimum wage because your family is rich so it'll never matter to you personally? those two things are the only that make what you're saying make any sense to me.

now i'm more confused because you say that everyone who doesn't have an education should get off their ass and work. except for you don't support those jobs actually being able to pay for them to live and support their family on...? so what are they gonna do? wait you do realize that having an education doesn't mean that you are exempt from ever making minimum wage right?



how are we gonna kick all illegal immigrants out? you do realize that a lot of their children are american citizens right? so what do you wanna do with all the children who didn't do anything wrong besides be born here? you wanna just take their parents away and throw them out of america? it's gonna take a lot of work to throw millions of people out of the country, so are we gonna focus our entire law enforcement system on kicking them out or what? if it was that easy/fast to become a citizen the right way, there wouldn't be so many here the wrong way. obviously there's a problem in the system. i don't think that people think they should live here for free and pay no taxes, i just think they are smarter than you and see that you can't just kick every single immigrant out of the country that easily and have it all fixed. it's not even practical.

[dosomethin888]

^this is from our convo in the prostitution thread since we can't continue there.
explain to me why you think it's ridiculous that you should actually be able to live and have basic necessities on your wage? you make no sense to me. you say it's ok to raise the minimum wage, yet it's ridiculous to have a living wage. why?? obama wants to raise the minimum wage, to one that is LIVABLE and accounts for things like inflation. are you just a idiot and don't know what you're talking about or do you not care about minimum wage because your family is rich so it'll never matter to you personally? those two things are the only that make what you're saying make any sense to me.

now i'm more confused because you say that everyone who doesn't have an education should get off their ass and work. except for you don't support those jobs actually being able to pay for them to live and support their family on...? so what are they gonna do? wait you do realize that having an education doesn't mean that you are exempt from ever making minimum wage right?
how are we gonna kick all illegal immigrants out? you do realize that a lot of their children are american citizens right? so what do you wanna do with all the children who didn't do anything wrong besides be born here? you wanna just take their parents away and throw them out of america? it's gonna take a lot of work to throw millions of people out of the country, so are we gonna focus our entire law enforcement system on kicking them out or what? if it was that easy/fast to become a citizen the right way, there wouldn't be so many here the wrong way. obviously there's a problem in the system. i don't think that people think they should live here for free and pay no taxes, i just think they are smarter than you and see that you can't just kick every single immigrant out of the country that easily and have it all fixed. it's not even practical.

Haha. I can tell Im talking to a liberal. No, Im not rich. I live in a middle class family and Im going to school to be a nurse. So, do I believe that the minimum wage should be raised? Of course, but not drastically. Im friggin sick of all these lazy people relying on the govt. Dont you believe in the American dream? Small businesses are a huge part of that. McCain wants to make govt. smaller and have small businesses thrive in the US. Obama wants to raise the taxes on people who make 250,000 or more a year. My dad owned his own construction company a few years ago... he has since folded it. But he told me he made well over 250,000 a year... but he made way less in profit. If he still owned that business and Obama gets in office, he would be taxed even MORE outrageously than he already was. I can remember a few times he was so angry over the amount of taxes he paid already. Thats how you lose jobs. Offshore drilling? Now there is a way to create jobs, take our dependence off of foreign countries, and also help the economy.

About illegal immigration. I guess I got a little ahead of myself. Your right, it would not be practical to kick them out. I guess Im just a little PISSED OFF that there are a ton of people living in the US taking away American's jobs and not paying taxes. Obama wants to give rights to these people, he wants to give them driver's licenses. Haha. Guess who these people are voting for? Obama. He is going to get votes from people who arent even American citizens, wonderful. I believe, along with John McCain, that these people who broke our laws, came into our country illegally, refuse to pay taxes, and take our jobs should EARN their citizenship. Not have it handed to them. They knew what they were doing when they came into our country illegally... they need to take responsibility for their selfish actions, and unfortunately their children are going to have to pay for their parent's mistakes. I understand how most liberals think: People shouldnt be held responsible for their actions, its not their fault, the govt. can just bail them out. Hell no.

Im a practical conservative. I belive in earning your money, earning your citizenship and earning respect.

[NoSex]

Im friggin sick of all these lazy people relying on the govt. Dont you believe in the American dream?

are you really that naive?

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