The 2008 Election:, Obama v. McCain Options

[NoSex]

So, political discourse has been showing up more and more the closer and closer we get to November. As a result, I've decided that this thread should exist. All political arguments that relate to the elections (and the candidates) should find their home here, more or less.

Who do you think should run America? Why?
What direction do you think America is going in, as a country? What direction do you think we should go in? Why?

Support your arguments with evidence and details, make citations, try to have fun; no spamming, character bashing, etc. etc.

[brooklyneast05]

what's liberal about that? that i think people should get paid enough to live on their wage and i don't think you can just throw every illegal immigrant out of the country in the snap of a finger? yeah, so liberal of me.


you still didn't tell me why you don't think minimum wage should be livable. i didn't say it needs to be raised drastically, although if that's what it takes to be livable, then i'm for that too. i just said that if you work you should be able to provide the basics for yourself. you keep saying how you believe in people working, but then you don't believe people should be rewarded enough to live on their hard work...once again, makes no sense to me.

you don't think people should make enough to live on and then ask me if i believe in the american dream?

lol wut?


anyway, so how is he going to make our government smaller? because republicans love to say that, but we've been under a republican for 8 years and i don't see how our government has gotten anything but bigger.


i don't think mccain is going to "make smaller businesses thrive". i don't think obama is either though. i think neither candidate has a great plan for smaller businesses, because both of them have their drawbacks and flaws. i don't have a lot of knowledge of what average earnings for different businesses are so i won't pretend like i do. however, i still don't think the majority of small businesses make over 250,000. either way, i think both of them suck at this and neither is really on the side of small businesses.


people get so "pissed off" at immigrants for taking "their" jobs but why don't you jump all over of the american citizens who are giving them "your" jobs in the first place? they aren't taking them, they are getting them handed to them. no, i'm not going to knock someone who desperately needs a job for accepting one.

i said before, the system is broken. if they could become legal the right way they wouldn't be doing it the wrong way. it's not a black and white issue. i don't understand what you mean by obama is going to get the vote of the illegal immigrants. you have to be an american citizen to vote.

you paint them to all be awful people who disregard all laws and just want a free ride in life. that's just bullshit and very ignorant to say. they came to have a better life and give their kids a better one, and the system which is broke hasn't allowed that to happen flawlessly. you harp on how they should EARN their citizenship, ok that's delightful, but it's missing my whole point which is you can't just EARN it when the system is messed up to begin with.


obama didn't say that it should be "handed to them". he said:

Bring People Out of the Shadows
Obama and Biden support a system that allows undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.

i mean, hey, don't you believe in the american dream?