olympic, perfectionist Options

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http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news?slug...o&type=lgns
If you look at the right side of the website, you see a list of medals whereas America has 31 gold with a total of 102 medals while china has 47 gold with a total of 89 medals.


What do you think?

[Tung]

You better thank me Steven for bumping this thread that obviously failed, but since there's like NO topic to post in, I decided to come back to this one to post.

It's all about cultural beliefs. Chinese/Asians have that mentality to be the best. 2nd isn't good enough, and trying isn't going to do it. Just like our parents when we bring home our report card and we get 5 A's and 1 B+. The parents look at the B+ and yell at you, instead of looking at the 5 A's and praising you. Oppose to the American culture and belief, trying is all that matters. That's why Chinese people are winning so many medals. Also let's take into account how many Chinese people are participating in these events making their % of winning higher as compare to small countries with only 10 people in the Olympics representing their country.

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gigi,

America's rank is by all medals. What about china's ranking chart? I'm just curious, because I can't read Chinese to browse through the website.
http://cn.yahoo.com/

Never mind, if you can't read it too.

You better thank me Steven for bumping this thread that obviously failed, but since there's like NO topic to post in, I decided to come back to this one to post.

It's all about cultural beliefs. Chinese/Asians have that mentality to be the best. 2nd isn't good enough, and trying isn't going to do it. Just like our parents when we bring home our report card and we get 5 A's and 1 B+. The parents look at the B+ and yell at you, instead of looking at the 5 A's and praising you. Oppose to the American culture and belief, trying is all that matters. That's why Chinese people are winning so many medals. Also let's take into account how many Chinese people are participating in these events making their % of winning higher as compare to small countries with only 10 people in the Olympics representing their country.

thanks
man, i deleted my prompt for this topic.

[Gigi]

gigi,

America's rank is by all medals. What about china's ranking chart? I'm just curious, because I can't read Chinese to browse through the website.
http://cn.yahoo.com/

Never mind, if you can't read it too.

I didn't even click the link actually, because I know that China, and the rest of the world, rank by number of Gold medals. The US is the only country that does it by the total medals period. I was wondering if that was always the case.

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Of course cheating works for them. If cheating didn't work, no one would do it. What are you saying here, ends justify the means? Would you care if a team gave their cyclists motorcycles instead of bicycles to race with, as long as they won the gold?

If China cheats, they deserve the shame of losing their medals.

Come on, now you're just nitpicking my choice of words. I'm not justifying anything. I'm saying that it is what it is, and that I agreed with you (). And the keyword here is if China cheated, just like if any other countries did the same. Nothing has been proven yet.

Clearly they do, since they're bothered enough to censor people about it.

More bitchy nitpicking, adds nothing to your argument either. Not that you need to because that's not what I was arguing about.

China's decision making, politics and errors in judgment should have disqualified them from having the games in the first place. Everyone knew China is full of shit, yet they still allowed them to have the games based on promises that everyone knew China wasn't going to keep.

China didn't want the games for the benefit of harmony in the world, they wanted the games to wave their dicks in the air. They don't give a shit about the Olympic spirit, or even the dignity of human life. All they care about is making China look good and making money off of it.

Now that's what I was arguing about.

A lot of that is your personal opinion, backed up with nothing. How do you know what China wanted the games for? Making China look good - every country wants themselves to look good, they can't be blamed for wanting that. And making money off it? That's funny. China spent $44 billion on the Olympics - that's around 7 times the amount spent in Sydney. And host nations consistently lose money when hosting the Olympics, so money was definitely not a factor going into it.

Yes, waving their dicks in the air is a way to put it, perhaps a nicer way to say it would be that they want to show the world another different side of China. But the Western world has given China no such chance. How can a stubborn country like China ever change their ways if the feedback they receive is only negative and hostile?

You might reply back that there is no other side of China, that they're covering their shit with flowery rosy pictures; that they are inherently, thoroughly bad. But you know that's not true (or, I assume that you do, because I don't take you as a dumbass). There are positive and negative aspects to any nation, any government, any thing. Nothing is written out in black and white, no one is really all bad or all good, and you'd be naive to think so. Sometimes the good overpowers the bad, and vice-versa. Sometimes the good is made out to overpower the bad, and vice-versa.

The Western media decided to show readers only the bad side. Do a quick Google for "Beijing Olympics" and most of what you'll see is negative bullshit spewed by dumbass, biased, ignorant American and British journalists. Hardly any of the articles should be called articles, and instead, racist editorials written by journalists drooling out of one side of the mouth on a China bash-fest.

Is it worse for a country to censor all bad journalism and show you the good, or for a country's media to manipulate and selectively show you the bad, and conveniently forget about the good? One violates journalistic and human rights, yes, but another violates the ethics of fair journalism, free speech, and equality for all that the West hold so dearly to their hearts. The difference is that the former is called "propaganda" while the latter is called "free speech". Journalists have the obligation to present the whole truth objectively and in equal proportion. There exists a double-standard here.

China's decision making, politics and errors in judgment should have disqualified them from having the games in the first place.

To say that China doesn't deserve to host the Olympics is ignorant and petty. There are more important things to consider when choosing a host country apart from just these factors. In a country of 1.3 billion people that make up over 1/5 of the world's population, surely they ought to be represented? Otherwise, how would a mutual understanding and tolerance be created? You insist on having Olympic spirit, when in fact, you can't really say for sure that any other past host nation encompassed all those characteristics.

What I gather that you're trying to say here (and apologetically, in a very condensed manner) is that China shouldn't be allowed to host the games because they're not treating other people nicely. And at the same time, you believe that there should be harmony in the world, equality, fairness, all in the name of Olympic spirit.

But how does that work, to place yourself on a high pedestal, scolding China with, "You aren't worthy, you're not deserving, you're a low piece of shit"? That is the exact opposte of Olympic spirit. Are you going to tell me that China discriminates, violates in the same way? Even children know that saying "He started it first!" doesn't excuse you from wrongdoing. Yet another double-standard.

If anything, China should be able to follow someone's lead, but that is impossible if they have to endure wave after wave of attacks. Sometimes cynicism needs to die down in order for the positive to shine, and in order for the positive to further blossom and encourage positive changes in the future. And don't tell me that there are no positive things to learn from China, because that's just a load of shit.

The Olympics were a perfect opportunity to show China what they could become, to lead by example, to be role models. That was thrown away immediately when Western media decided to be hostile and unsympathetic. It's about give and take, and while China tried to give, others didn't receive, instead refusing time and time again. I fear that in the future, China will never change because of the stubbornness of other countries that say they want China to change, but do nothing to help otherwise.

The whole point of what I'm saying is that there are multiple sides and points of views to everything. You can never know the true story if you blindly refuse to listen, and if you don't listen, you can't help. Nothing can change in a poisonous environment like this.

Have fun reading. Looking forward to your reply.