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Melie
post Aug 3 2008, 05:03 PM
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i was watching this show taboo on national geographic, and it was talking about the taboos of sex changes.

now, recently a pregnant man just gave birth to a little girl. (the man was born a woman, married another woman but because the wife had a hysterectomy, he was the one that carried and birthed the child).

how do you feel about their need to be accepted in society but still wanting to still conceive a child?

personally, i have a strong disagreement with this. if they want us to accept the fact that they changed their whole appearance and attitude then that i can do. but if a woman who changes into a man, still has her reproductive organs and then wants to conceive a child, i don't agree with. if you want us to accept you as a man, then that's what you are. but i will not accept you for being a woman, who wanted to be a man, and now wants to be a woman and conceive a child, then i feel that they should be a woman again. you can't have both worlds and expect society to accept you as who you are. unless you're a hermaphrodite.
 
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 09:54 AM
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you know, everyone says it doesn't matter but i bet if they were to actually see a man in person who is pregnant, they would more than likely have to tell a friend, talk about them, and even make fun of them. so, i think that something like this is definitely not something a person could just say, "it doesn't bother me" or "if that's what they wanna do then let them".

as a mother myself, it feel a little bit disheartened because at some point when that child grows up, they have a lot of explaining to do when the child asks why was daddy pregnant with them and not mommy.

a surrogate would've been more appropriate then bearing it himself. because of this, it caused publicity and when the child gets older, he/she will be known as the child who's daddy gave birth to.

but, that's just MY opinion.
 
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post Aug 5 2008, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE(Melie @ Aug 5 2008, 09:54 AM) *
you know, everyone says it doesn't matter but i bet if they were to actually see a man in person who is pregnant, they would more than likely have to tell a friend, talk about them, and even make fun of them. so, i think that something like this is definitely not something a person could just say, "it doesn't bother me" or "if that's what they wanna do then let them".


nah, i don't agree. if someone see's a pregnant dude, and they say something to a friend about seeing a pregnant dude...that is not the same thing as saying that you "strongly disagree" with it. you said that you personally have a strong disagreement with this, and i asked why you have that.
 
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 5 2008, 10:36 AM) *
nah, i don't agree. if someone see's a pregnant dude, and they say something to a friend about seeing a pregnant dude...that is not the same thing as saying that you "strongly disagree" with it. you said that you personally have a strong disagreement with this, and i asked why you have that.


well, i am mother myself and also a catholic but my religion does NOT have an influence on this. i do admit though that there are some things that i do disagree with the catholicism and that is their view of homosexuals. i fully support gay marriages and their rights to be able to gain all of the responsibilities and benefits of being a couple.

in a whole, i'm very open-minded about a lot of things. but to have to accept someone as being both male and female because of their conflicting hormones that they inject in themselves and their feelings of who they really are isn't fair to those who are not like them. and then expect society to accept them this way, well then what are you? i mean, what would you mark as your sex on your driver's license? there's no both option there...it's either male or female.

how hard will it be for me to have to explain to my daughter why a man is pregnant. obviously i'll have to tell her a little white lie and say that it is a very HUGE beer gut. but what about her?
 
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QUOTE(Melie @ Aug 5 2008, 07:22 PM) *
well, i am mother myself and also a catholic but my religion does NOT have an influence on this. i do admit though that there are some things that i do disagree with the catholicism and that is their view of homosexuals. i fully support gay marriages and their rights to be able to gain all of the responsibilities and benefits of being a couple.

in a whole, i'm very open-minded about a lot of things. but to have to accept someone as being both male and female because of their conflicting hormones that they inject in themselves and their feelings of who they really are isn't fair to those who are not like them. and then expect society to accept them this way, well then what are you? i mean, what would you mark as your sex on your driver's license? there's no both option there...it's either male or female.

how hard will it be for me to have to explain to my daughter why a man is pregnant. obviously i'll have to tell her a little white lie and say that it is a very HUGE beer gut. but what about her?


hey guess what, i bet they don't f**king care about how hard it is for you to talk to your kid. why the f**k should someone NOT do something they want just because some mother somewhere might have to explain something to their kid?

you don't have to accept them as anything, because your acceptance doesn't matter probably. i highly doubt people who do that expect to be accepted 100% by society. you don't think it's fair to people who aren't like them, but i doubt they think it's fair that they should have to be any certain way for some people they don't know and aren't bothering.
 

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Melie   how do you feel about this?   Aug 3 2008, 05:03 PM
brooklyneast05   my view on this is...who cares? i don't care w...   Aug 3 2008, 05:08 PM
berrypop90   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 3 2008, 06:08 ...   Aug 3 2008, 06:31 PM
The-March-Hare   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 3 2008, 11:08 ...   Aug 4 2008, 07:57 AM
Joannnnnne   I don't see why people are making it such a bi...   Aug 4 2008, 06:20 PM
Elba   why do people make such a big deal out of this hum...   Aug 3 2008, 05:26 PM
MissFits   To each his own. Who are we to judge?   Aug 3 2008, 05:42 PM
KryMeARiver   QUOTE(MissFits @ Aug 3 2008, 06:42 PM) To...   Aug 3 2008, 05:46 PM
xoxo_proud   I honestly don't care. As long as they're ...   Aug 3 2008, 08:30 PM
LoveToMySilas   Yeah, we'll probably never really know the ful...   Aug 3 2008, 08:39 PM
brooklyneast05   i don't really get though all that hype about ...   Aug 3 2008, 08:40 PM
karmakiller   It is a little weird. If I saw a pregnant man walk...   Aug 3 2008, 09:33 PM
LiinaBeana   Ok, why the need to worry about what everyone else...   Aug 4 2008, 06:50 AM
karmakiller   ^ Someone needs a history lesson. QUOTE(LiinaBean...   Aug 4 2008, 02:41 PM
Mandingo   QUOTEi was watching this show taboo on national ge...   Aug 4 2008, 08:24 AM
imsleepn   QUOTE(Melie @ Aug 3 2008, 05:03 PM) i was...   Aug 4 2008, 12:25 PM
coconutter   I think you're full of shit.   Aug 4 2008, 01:25 PM
doiink   ^ I think you need to cut your own shit out. As ...   Aug 4 2008, 02:21 PM
AsH-lYnn   Personally I don't care and don't feel the...   Aug 4 2008, 02:29 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(AsH-lYnn @ Aug 4 2008, 02:29 P...   Aug 4 2008, 02:34 PM
XTC   QUOTE(AsH-lYnn @ Aug 4 2008, 02:29 P...   Aug 4 2008, 03:05 PM
LiinaBeana   QUOTE(AsH-lYnn @ Aug 4 2008, 03:29 P...   Aug 4 2008, 08:58 PM
AsH-lYnn   how am i crazy and why do i need a history lesson?...   Aug 4 2008, 03:02 PM
Sandraaa   QUOTE(AsH-lYnn @ Aug 4 2008, 10:02 P...   Aug 4 2008, 03:42 PM
AsH-lYnn   QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Aug 4 2008, 01:42 PM) Ma...   Aug 4 2008, 06:06 PM
Sandraaa   QUOTE(AsH-lYnn @ Aug 5 2008, 01:06 A...   Aug 5 2008, 05:36 AM
AsH-lYnn   QUOTEblack people went through a lot more bull...b...   Aug 4 2008, 03:06 PM
karmakiller   I don't know about you but I haven't heard...   Aug 4 2008, 03:14 PM
giraffe   lol sucks that you wasted time   Aug 4 2008, 03:15 PM
XTC   Homosexuality=Slavery Cramps=AIDS   Aug 4 2008, 03:47 PM
Tomates   It doesnt bother me at all. Its their decision Th...   Aug 4 2008, 06:38 PM
KryMeARiver   lol @ all the people who are saying don't care...   Aug 5 2008, 05:40 AM
brooklyneast05   yeah i don't care if some person i don't k...   Aug 5 2008, 08:42 AM
Melie   you know, everyone says it doesn't matter but ...   Aug 5 2008, 09:54 AM
The-March-Hare   QUOTE(Melie @ Aug 5 2008, 03:54 PM) you k...   Aug 5 2008, 09:55 AM
Melie   QUOTE(The-March-Hare @ Aug 5 2008, ...   Aug 5 2008, 09:58 AM
superstitious   QUOTE(Melie @ Aug 5 2008, 09:58 AM) i fee...   Aug 5 2008, 12:22 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Melie @ Aug 5 2008, 09:54 AM) you k...   Aug 5 2008, 10:36 AM
Melie   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 5 2008, 10:36 ...   Aug 5 2008, 07:22 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Melie @ Aug 5 2008, 07:22 PM) well,...   Aug 5 2008, 08:31 PM
Melie   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 5 2008, 08:31 ...   Aug 5 2008, 09:50 PM
brooklyneast05   no shit   Aug 5 2008, 10:04 PM
The-March-Hare   Still, just because it's not the most straight...   Aug 5 2008, 10:00 AM
Melie   ^that's not what i said.   Aug 5 2008, 10:14 AM
The-March-Hare   No, I understand. But the child being loved is far...   Aug 5 2008, 10:21 AM
MissUchiha   Im very neutral about this i think that it ones o...   Aug 5 2008, 12:31 PM
souperstar   My views on this are that I don't quite see wh...   Aug 5 2008, 02:38 PM
Hedonism   You think she cares that a man is pregnant? God fo...   Aug 5 2008, 07:37 PM
Elba   how can you support gay marriages, but object to t...   Aug 5 2008, 10:22 PM


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