Does Evolution Require Atheism? Options

[Tung]

Well does it? Most religious people and hardcore scientists today are often incline to believe that atheism and evolution are rigorously intertwined. According to the majority (us), we are thought to believe that if one is to accept evolution as the explanation for life on Earth, it usually leads that person to become an atheist.

The problem I have with this assumption is that I don’t agree with it. Contrary to popular belief, evolution actually doesn’t explain anything about the origins of the universe, the world, or life in general. You can say Evolution is more of an explanation on the development of life.

I personally believe a person can accept evolution as an explanation for the advancement of life, and the diversity, while still being able to believe that the Earth and life were first caused by God. Therefore, there’s no reason why a person can’t be a theist and at the same time accept the theory of evolution.

Thoughts?

[monster]

no.

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tung, im ranting here.

why is it that you're coming off as a 'hey, i go to college so i know more about you. i can insult God all i want now because i am a biology major and that makes me smarter than all of you. ' ?

honestly, tung. it's called arrogance. you have it. quit being a dick.

and for those of you who say evolution and atheism are not entwined are ignorant. evolution is now the marching banner on which atheism marches to.

ALSO, when evolution tells me that everything i do is subconcious, and even doing things such things as skipping in line is some sort of subconcious way for me to try to get ahead of the gene-battle?

that says a lot. that tells me something about how evolution speaks about life.

tung, if you are starting bio 1, don't come across as some dick with some bits of knowledge. i've read your topics in here, they don't come off as intelligent. in fact, all you do is have a ' f**k you ' demeanor while successfully avoiding the actual debate/question.

[BadCraziness]

and for those of you who say evolution and atheism are not entwined are ignorant. evolution is now the marching banner on which atheism marches to.

ALSO, when evolution tells me that everything i do is subconcious, and even doing things such things as skipping in line is some sort of subconcious way for me to try to get ahead of the gene-battle?

that says a lot. that tells me something about how evolution speaks about life.

You are getting Freud confused with Darwin and it is hilarious.
Most atheists believe in evolution, but atheism was here before the other. They're not entwined, it just so happens that most atheists are smart enough to recognize that evolution is fact.

[illriginal]

You are getting Freud confused with Darwin and it is hilarious.
Most atheists believe in evolution, but atheism was here before the other. They're not entwined, it just so happens that most atheists are smart enough to recognize that evolution is fact.

Yeah let me know when a monkey evolves again into a human.

Anyways, there's evolution but to an extent. I find it highly laughable that people would sit here and assume that we came from monkeys.

But the different forms of evolutions do exist...

let me know when you atheist realize there's more information than what darwin has revealed about the Galapagos ruins. Until then, don't talk shit like you know shit

but they aren't saying it in terms of some kind of "Godyear." The Bible was written by man and when they say year, they meant year.

You're making it up as you go lmao.

HA! "You're makin it up as you go"

Again go read something before assuming what I know. On top of that, don't associate the Bible with God... the Bible aint shit and I'd wipe my ass with it, as it holds no authenticity.

LOL @ People who read the bible... misunderstand the bible, then use the bible to slam religion/God. Pathetic fools

[BadCraziness]

Yeah let me know when a monkey evolves again into a human.

Anyways, there's evolution but to an extent. I find it highly laughable that people would sit here and assume that we came from monkeys.

I'm pretty sure you'd be dead if that ever happens again, but whatever.

Evolution is a very complicated process and it takes millions and millions of years to occur, and the chances of similar stimuli ever occurring twice and the same genetic changes to occur successfully are very slim.

And the fact that our genetic codes are 99.4% similar and new scientific genetic research has proven that chimps should be considered members of the same genus (homo) as us is pretty goddamn convincing.

I really don't know why you find this notion so ridiculous. There is a thousand times more evidence that we evolved from monkeys than there is that God said Abracadabra! one day and there we were(of which there is 0 evidence, and trillions of dinosaurian years of evidence in which there were no human beings to the contrary). Anyone with half a brain is more inclined to believe the former.

let me know when you atheist realize there's more information than what darwin has revealed about the Galapagos ruins. Until then, don't talk shit like you know shit
HA! "You're makin it up as you go"

Again go read something before assuming what I know.

You've just contradicted yourself lmao. Here, once again, you're making shit up as you go, this time saying that I don't know this or I don't know that, or I haven't read this or I haven't read that. Way to go, man.

On top of that, don't associate the Bible with God... the Bible aint shit and I'd wipe my ass with it, as it holds no authenticity.

LOL @ People who read the bible... misunderstand the bible, then use the bible to slam religion/God. Pathetic fools

The Christian God is just as authentic as the Islamic God, in the fact that there is no authenticity whatsoever behind belief in either of them.

I've read the Qur'an and the Bible and the Torah, and I found little truth in either. And all were fundamentally very similar.

[illriginal]

I'm pretty sure you'd be dead if that ever happens again, but whatever.

Evolution is a very complicated process and it takes millions and millions of years to occur, and the chances of similar stimuli ever occurring twice and the same genetic changes to occur successfully are very slim.

And the fact that our genetic codes are 99.4% similar and new scientific genetic research has proven that chimps should be considered members of the same genus (homo) as us is pretty goddamn convincing.

I really don't know why you find this notion so ridiculous. There is a thousand times more evidence that we evolved from monkeys than there is that God said Abracadabra! one day and there we were(of which there is 0 evidence, and trillions of dinosaurian years of evidence in which there were no human beings to the contrary). Anyone with half a brain is more inclined to believe the former.

Ok and as time continues... so would evolution. So show me evolution from a monkey to human, til then I'll sit back and laugh

And actually if you been researching scientific studies, you'd realize that there's a probability that humans could have actually existed during the dinosaurian era. Again you should study a lil deeper into the Galapagos ruins.

You've just contradicted yourself lmao. Here, once again, you're making shit up as you go, this time saying that I don't know this or I don't know that, or I haven't read this or I haven't read that. Way to go, man.

Uh no.

The Christian God is just as authentic as the Islamic God, in the fact that there is no authenticity whatsoever behind belief in either of them.

No. You've failed to realize quite a lot of authenticity. But since you know so much of religion, you should be able to cross reference and realize the authenticities.

I've read the Qur'an and the Bible and the Torah, and I found little truth in either. And all were fundamentally very similar.

Unfortunately this is the internet so I can't ask for proof as you could easily google it. But the fact that you claim they are fundamentally very similar only proves to me that you have not read all three. And if you read the Torah, you would have had to read the Talmud as well. On top of that, the Torah and Talmud should only be read in Hebrew as there's MANY scriptures which cannot be translated to English as a whole...

I'm only talking in terms of the Bible here because YOU are. lmao.

LOL I don't use the Bible as my references... it's not authentic enough. The Trinity alone is laughable.

Stop assuming what I have and haven't read, thanks. It makes you look like an idiot.

Obviously there's certain things you haven't read because your argument is pretty typical of atheists... it's pretty much elementary knowledge.

Gee, what a compelling argument. Really stands testament to your quality as a person and what your religion has taught you.

What argument? There is no argument... if you re-read my "apology" it's not even serious... I simply meant sorry for the cursing... I was in a Samuel L. Jackson mode =\

And I posted, what, three times? Why don't try putting up a good argument for once instead of resorting to pettiness and insults.

You're insulting my belief system... so uh, f**k you, eat shit and die. You're lucky we aren't back in time. I'd cut your head off, infidel. That's what God likes.

How am I standing up for religion lol? I think religion is one of the most dreadful things ever spawned by society.

You were just suckin the Christian god's dick about how jesus is a good guy... if you don't believe in jesus.. then why would you even compliment his existence?... In my opinion, non-believers are the most dreadful things that ever spawned by society.

[BadCraziness]

Ok and as time continues... so would evolution. So show me evolution from a monkey to human, til then I'll sit back and laugh

You're completely missing the point of what I just said. Man you are thick.

And actually if you been researching scientific studies, you'd realize that there's a probability that humans could have actually existed during the dinosaurian era.

Yeah, PROBABILITY. It doesn't matter either way, considering that there were no humans back in the Precambrian period, which also supports my point.

You've failed to realize quite a lot of authenticity. But since you know so much of religion, you should be able to cross reference and realize the authenticities.

What authenticity? Don't make mention of so-called authenticities with no proof or specification thereof.

But the fact that you claim they are fundamentally very similar only proves to me that you have not read all three. And if you read the Torah, you would have had to read the Talmud as well. On top of that, the Torah and Talmud should only be read in Hebrew as there's MANY scriptures which cannot be translated to English as a whole...

The Bible was written in Hebrew first too, lol. Claiming that the Torah can only be basically understood in Hebrew is the is the same as saying that the Bible needs to be read in Hebrew/Greek and the Qur'an needs to be read in Arabic. That's not the case. Sure, something is always lost in the translations, but it's not hard to get a fundamental understanding of what's there. And sorry, but I don't have the time to learn three languages. And yes, they are very similar. In fact, I'd say not being able to recognize their many similarities is evidence one has not read each of them. They have their differences, sure, but they're not that different, and the differences aren't worth fighting wars over.

If you don't want to accept the fact that I've read them, that's fine with me, it just supports my claim that you're making shit up as you go.

LOL I don't use the Bible as my references... it's not authentic enough.

For the past page you've been arguing about the 7 days referred to in Genesis.

You're insulting my belief system... so uh, f**k you, eat shit and die. You're lucky we aren't back in time. I'd cut your head off, infidel. That's what God likes.

If you don't want your beliefs insulted, then stop having such ridiculous beliefs.

Religion doesn't teach you to kill and butcher anyone no matter how different your beliefs are. If it does, it is morally void. And it just so happens that Islam is one of those religions which does promote violence in the name of God. Hmmmmm.

You were just suckin the Christian god's dick about how jesus is a good guy... if you don't believe in jesus.. then why would you even compliment his existence?... In my opinion, non-believers are the most dreadful things that ever spawned by society.

I kind of just said he was a pretty nice dude, but whatever. Either way, Jesus wasn't God lol, he was supposedly God's son. There is little physical evidence of his existence besides stuff from the Bible and a Roman historian (I think it might have been Tiberius) who wrote about him. He probably existed and was a real person, just as much as Mohammad existed and was a real person, but he wasn't any son of any god. But I do recognize the that he was a great teacher as he is portrayed in the Bible, promoting peace and tolerance and love. Peace and tolerance and love are pretty neato, you should try them out someday.

[illriginal]

You're completely missing the point of what I just said. Man you are thick.

No... basically if what you're claiming is legitimate then there has to be some sort of change.. some sort of evidence in evolution during this time period. If there isn't any sort of evolution during this time period, not even a slight change in the human "DNA"... this I call bullshit and fallacies.

The Bible was written in Hebrew first too, lol. Claiming that the Torah can only be basically understood in Hebrew is the is the same as saying that the Bible needs to be read in Hebrew/Greek

Exactly. And do you know how many versions of the bible there is? Easily over a thousand different versions...

That's not the case. Sure, something is always lost in the translations, but it's not hard to get a fundamental understanding of what's there.

Right... but then that's when human error occurs. Misinterpreting and taking things out of context.

They have their differences, sure, but they're not that different, and the differences aren't worth fighting wars over.

Christians are the blame for it, typically Romans who pushed their pagan mixed belief system onto the benevolence.

If you don't want to accept the fact that I've read them, that's fine with me, it just supports my claim that you're making shit up as you go.
For the past page you've been arguing about the 7 days referred to in Genesis.

Just because I don't believe in what you claim doesn't mean I'm makin shit up.. that just doesn't make sense. The 7 days is not just in reference to the bible... and all I simply said was that it could actually be possible that God's 7 days could be 7 thousand years to the Earthly beings... lets think outside of the box. Not every planet has 24 hours in a day... this should give you a hint as to what I'm sayin.

If you don't want your beliefs insulted, then stop having such ridiculous beliefs.

It's people like you who start problems in the first place.

Religion doesn't teach you to kill and butcher anyone no matter how different your beliefs are. If it does, it is morally void. And it just so happens that Islam is one of those religions which does promote violence in the name of God. Hmmmmm.

Ha... you sure you read those 3 books? You really don't know the divinity of God, you should re-read them.

you should try them out someday.

I do... just not with people who insult me, my belief, or non-believers.

Hate to burst your bubble, but everyone on earth is born a non-believer, an atheist. You must hate a whole lotta babies.

Spoken like a true satanist. That is completely backwards and far from the truth.