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Religion - Pros & Cons
darkphyre
post Jun 20 2004, 11:24 PM
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dude, where's your brain?
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What Atheists think about religion

Atheist Criticisms of Religion

Not all atheists are hostile to religion, but many do think that religion is bad. Here are some of their reasons...
  • Religion gets people to believe something untrue.
  • Religion makes people base the way they run their lives on a falsehood.
  • Religion stops people thinking in a rational and objective way.
  • Religion forces people to rely on outside authority, rather than becoming self-reliant.
  • Religion imposes irrational rules of good and bad behaviour.
  • Religion divides people, and is a cause of conflict and war.
  • The hierarchical structure of most religions is anti-democratic, and thus offends basic human rights.
  • Religion doesn't give equal treatment to women and gay people, and thus offends basic human rights.
  • Religion obstructs scientific research.
  • Religion wastes time and money.
Religion has good bits to it.

Most atheists willingly concede there are some good things about religion, such as:
  • Religious art and music
  • Religious charities and good works
  • Much religious wisdom and scripture
  • Human fellowship and togetherness


I agree with just about everything on this list. What do you think?
 
 
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darkphyre
post Jun 21 2004, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 21 2004, 11:19 AM)
Religion gets people to believe something untrue.
    *Who are you to say that it is untrue?


Who are you to say it's true?

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Religion stops people thinking in a rational and objective way.
     *Is it not rational to not waste your life on drinking,lying, and doing wrong?


Religious people have no monopoly on morality. I hardly believe that a person who participates in a religion is less likely to lie or drink than someone who doesn't.

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Religion forces people to rely on outside authority, rather than becoming self-reliant.
      *No person is completely self-reliant, everyone has to depend on someone


But it's better to be dependent on someone that is real, no?

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Religion imposes irrational rules of good and bad behaviour.
       *the word to use wouldn't be irrational


"When a slave owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner's property. (Exod. 21:20-21)"

That's sure a rational rule.

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Religion divides people, and is a cause of conflict and war.
       *Race divides people so is ethnic diveristy also bad?


Religion is more often a cause of conflict and war than race. As well, ethnicity is unavoidable, whereas religion is a choice.

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The hierarchical structure of most religions is anti-democratic, and thus offends basic human rights.
        *Who is to say what human rights are, that is up to your own judgement. Plus the basic human rights came from the Bible


The basic human rights are internationally recognized. They are not open to interpretation.

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Religion doesn't give equal treatment to women and gay people, and thus offends basic human rights.
        *You cannot classify all religion as the same. Christianity does not make women inferior, if it did i wouldn't be a Christian. Gay people since when do they get their own catergory? they are the same as straight people


"(1 Tim 2:9-12 NRSV) also that the women should dress themselves modestly and decently in suitable clothing, not with their hair braided, or with gold, pearls, or expensive clothes, ...

Let a woman learn in silence with full submission.

I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent."

Yay for women! As for gay people, if they're the same, why can't they get married?

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Religion obstructs scientific research.
        *Scientific research how? You cannot use the theory of evolution because it si exactly what it states a theory


Ok, I won't use evolution. Right now, George W. Bush is preventing/limiting stem cell research solely based on his religious views. These stem cells have the potential to cure or treat many diseases and disorders.

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Religion wastes time and money.
        *If that is the case all time and money is wasted, because if i wasn't spendning time with God I would be wasting my time having sex and wasting my money smoking weed


I guess you're just naturally a morally corrupt person. I'm not religious, and I don't smoke or drink or have sex.
 

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darkphyre   Religion - Pros & Cons   Jun 20 2004, 11:24 PM
onenonly101   Religion gets people to believe something untrue. ...   Jun 21 2004, 11:19 AM
Spirited Away   In history, religion in general served as a mean f...   Jun 21 2004, 11:49 AM
sammi rules you   psssssssssssssssssssst.... atheists just dont bel...   Jun 21 2004, 12:08 PM
darkphyre   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 21 2004, 11:19 AM)Rel...   Jun 21 2004, 12:09 PM
onenonly101   QUOTEThe basic human rights are internationally re...   Jun 21 2004, 12:31 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE"(1 Tim 2:9-12 NRSV) also that the women...   Jun 21 2004, 02:18 PM
ComradeRed   Morality is definitely positive, religious-based m...   Jun 21 2004, 02:50 PM
DisneyPrincessKate   I don't see any problems with being religious....   Jun 21 2004, 03:59 PM
onenonly101   QUOTE"(1 Tim 2:9-12 NRSV) also that the women...   Jun 21 2004, 05:19 PM
ComradeRed   Women should wear dark veils and long garb that ca...   Jun 21 2004, 08:14 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jun 21 2004, 8:14 PM)Women...   Jun 21 2004, 09:42 PM
JlIaTMK   i kind of agree with wat u r saying even tho im ch...   Jun 22 2004, 06:31 PM
princess2113   QUOTE(VaguelyAware @ Jun 21 2004, 12:08 PM)ps...   Jun 26 2004, 01:38 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 26 2004, 1:38 PM)Ath...   Jun 26 2004, 03:52 PM
ThunderEvermore   QUOTEAtheist are confident there is no God, Agnost...   Jun 28 2004, 08:53 PM
EmeraldKnight   Aiya.. not another religion topic.. Ok.. ignor...   Jun 29 2004, 01:14 AM
HiddenFaerie   I haven't a problem with religion. As long as ...   Jun 29 2004, 09:32 AM
the_overachiever   gawsh i really need a course in apologetics... =/ ...   Jun 29 2004, 05:08 PM
Mini   okay, no one knows if anything we say about religi...   Jun 29 2004, 05:42 PM
HiddenFaerie   QUOTE(Mini @ Jun 29 2004, 6:42 PM)i just hate...   Jun 29 2004, 05:56 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(Mini @ Jun 29 2004, 5:42 PM)im Buddhist...   Jun 29 2004, 05:57 PM
the_overachiever   QUOTE(Mini @ Jun 29 2004, 5:42 PM)people are ...   Jun 29 2004, 06:15 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(the_overachiever @ Jun 29 2004, 6:15 PM...   Jun 29 2004, 06:19 PM
the_overachiever   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 29 2004, 6:19 PM)Ar...   Jun 29 2004, 06:20 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(the_overachiever @ Jun 29 2004, 6:20 PM...   Jun 29 2004, 06:23 PM
Mini   oh yeah im a guy. lol, isnt my avatar sexy? anyway...   Jun 29 2004, 06:50 PM
EmeraldKnight   Hm.. found this quote online.. see what you all th...   Jul 7 2004, 11:30 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 7 2004, 11:30 PM)Hm...   Jul 8 2004, 01:49 PM
rnrn897   gosh these topics are pretty annoying.. not gonna...   Jul 8 2004, 02:27 PM
Ze world is a Mask   how do you know if that religion is true or not?   Aug 6 2004, 05:55 PM
DaToNeViEtBoI916   everybody's been pickin on Christianity..pick ...   Aug 6 2004, 06:45 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(rnrn897 @ Jul 8 2004, 2:27 PM)gosh thes...   Aug 6 2004, 11:15 PM
Guarneri   if you really believe in whatever you believe... w...   Aug 7 2004, 03:04 AM
ryfitaDF   the only thing i have wrong with religion is bigot...   Aug 7 2004, 03:53 AM
sadolakced acid   oh, i can't wait for some jehovah's witnes...   Aug 7 2004, 10:36 AM
Spirited Away   AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA I believe that they're ...   Aug 7 2004, 12:40 PM
sadolakced acid   yea, but thier annoyance scale to me is the same a...   Aug 9 2004, 08:39 PM
ComradeRed   When someone tries to convert me to their faith, I...   Aug 10 2004, 09:29 AM
sadolakced acid   hehe. well, as long as they go away once i tell th...   Aug 10 2004, 08:09 PM
Spirited Away   ^^ They didn't go away when I said that. The...   Aug 10 2004, 08:39 PM
NATIONAL BONER DAY   I believe religion was created to serve us in 2 wa...   Aug 28 2004, 08:50 PM
barelyy_coherent   QUOTE(NATIONAL BONER DAY @ Aug 28 2004, 5:50 ...   Sep 7 2004, 11:32 PM
NATIONAL BONER DAY   You completely missed my point. Come back when you...   Sep 29 2004, 07:56 PM
barelyy_coherent   Excuse me, but if you had an actual point maybe I...   Oct 3 2004, 02:38 AM
strice   haha, you're an idiot. she makes complete sens...   Oct 3 2004, 02:43 AM
barelyy_coherent   She made complete sense, of course. But it doesn...   Oct 3 2004, 11:09 PM
NATIONAL BONER DAY   QUOTE(barelyy_coherent @ Oct 3 2004, 2:38 AM)...   Oct 7 2004, 12:42 AM
strice   about the religious art, it's common knowledge...   Oct 7 2004, 02:16 AM
DittotoAnne18   QUOTE(the_overachiever @ Jun 29 2004, 5:08 PM...   Oct 11 2004, 10:36 AM
PinkTrash   Religion helps a lot of people through. I mean, a ...   Oct 11 2004, 11:24 PM
DaTru KataLYST   Sigh i totally dunno wut to say. When I look ins...   Oct 11 2004, 11:32 PM
Spirited Away   PinkTrash: Religion gives hope to some and take aw...   Oct 11 2004, 11:33 PM
straightedge9   i believe that some people NEED to have a god... ...   Oct 12 2004, 03:35 PM
dreamerOi   I believe it too pretty much. but still the first ...   Oct 12 2004, 04:12 PM
barelyy_coherent   QUOTE(straightedge9 @ Oct 12 2004, 12:35 PM)p...   Oct 12 2004, 07:44 PM
sadolakced acid   the two instuments to take over a country are this...   Oct 17 2004, 01:31 AM
Alternativemado   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 21 2004, 11:19 AM)Rel...   Oct 21 2004, 11:22 PM
aznxdreamer   religon gives people faith and hope.   Oct 24 2004, 06:00 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(aznxdreamer @ Oct 24 2004, 6:00 PM)reli...   Oct 24 2004, 08:54 PM
strice   the lord giveth and the lord taketh indeed.   Oct 24 2004, 08:56 PM
Spirited Away   Give, take, and PUNISH!   Oct 24 2004, 10:55 PM
[X]poised   um, everything on that list is based on what athei...   Oct 24 2004, 11:22 PM
Oreo_bro   Religion gives hope and a purpose for some, its a ...   Oct 25 2004, 12:05 AM
strice   i don't think religion saves drug addicts, but...   Oct 25 2004, 01:27 AM
dreamerOi   QUOTE(Oreo_bro @ Oct 24 2004, 10:05 PM)Many d...   Oct 25 2004, 01:29 AM
Spirited Away   Xpoised, Oreo, my list have been proven throughout...   Oct 25 2004, 01:24 PM


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