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Equal Opportunity for Minorities
DoubleJ
post Feb 3 2008, 03:58 PM
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I am sure a topic like this already exists, but I really don't give a f**k. I will layout the background of the story for you and then the question.

So I am on a forum at my other forum site and I am really shocked at what I am reading. In the northeastern states, they have a practice of hiring more minorities because they have a quota to fill. Nowhere does it exist more than in my state of New Jersey. They actually have a law, that says that fire departments have to hire a certain amount of minorities every year. My beef is that there are alot of whites who feel as though the law is stupid because it can take a white guy who is very qualified and put him behind a black or hispanic guy who is less qualified like me. People are really upset over this because they think that minorities should not get special treatment just because they are minorities. They feel as though they should have to go through the same type of treatment that the whites should. Some think that it is an unfair system and should be changed. Others, like me, think that it is fair especially when the white guys who don't live in the city come in and steal jobs. I guess my question would be this, do you guys think that it is fair for not only state employers, but employers in general to hire minorities over whites even if they are less qualified?
 
 
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post Feb 4 2008, 04:01 PM
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I was going to get into economic quotas in my last post, but I wasn't sure how that was applicable to a lot of things. In terms of education, economic quotas have been ruled acceptable, while race based ones have not. But also, as was mentioned by someone, the complete opposite is true of gender; because women are generally better students, I know that my school's admissions rubric definitely used to give extra points to males. I'm sure technical schools skew their admissions in favor of women, to keep from having a completely abysmal ratio (I'm fairly certain GA Tech does).

Um, but as far as "minorities" goes, the instinct is to discuss blacks, because given the history of African Americans, they have been more severely disadvantaged and need more help overcoming the prejudices in the job market and whatnot. Hispanics don't have the same history, but are certainly not aided now by the xenophobia being spawned by illegal immigrants. And as for Asians, that generally doesn't tend to be much of an issue. I think as far as they are concerned, the general public has a greater fear of them getting educated here and then taking their knowledge back to their home country. Not to be racist in any way personally, but we are discussing unfairness here.
 
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post Feb 4 2008, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(paperplane @ Feb 4 2008, 04:01 PM) *
Um, but as far as "minorities" goes, the instinct is to discuss blacks, because given the history of African Americans, they have been more severely disadvantaged and need more help overcoming the prejudices in the job market and whatnot. Hispanics don't have the same history, but are certainly not aided now by the xenophobia being spawned by illegal immigrants. And as for Asians, that generally doesn't tend to be much of an issue. I think as far as they are concerned, the general public has a greater fear of them getting educated here and then taking their knowledge back to their home country. Not to be racist in any way personally, but we are discussing unfairness here.

You definitely broke that part down better than I could have.
 
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post Feb 4 2008, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(DoubleJ @ Feb 4 2008, 03:04 PM) *
You definitely broke that part down better than I could have.

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DoubleJ   Equal Opportunity for Minorities   Feb 3 2008, 03:58 PM
paperplane   In most areas, racial quotas have been ruled uncon...   Feb 3 2008, 04:20 PM
Steven   QUOTE(paperplane @ Feb 3 2008, 03:20 PM) ...   Feb 3 2008, 05:41 PM
DoubleJ   I mean, I think that racial quotas are justified i...   Feb 3 2008, 04:44 PM
paperplane   Well, you do also have to consider how many minori...   Feb 3 2008, 04:50 PM
DoubleJ   True indeed, and it is jut not minority when it co...   Feb 3 2008, 05:06 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(DoubleJ @ Feb 3 2008, 04:06 PM) Tru...   Feb 3 2008, 05:14 PM
Steven   QUOTESo I am on a forum at my other forum site and...   Feb 3 2008, 05:40 PM
DoubleJ   QUOTE(NoSex @ Feb 3 2008, 05:14 PM) Femal...   Feb 3 2008, 11:58 PM
instantmusic   This post has been edited for security reasons.   Feb 4 2008, 12:49 AM
DoubleJ   ^Exactly. Affirmative action to me is very good be...   Feb 4 2008, 01:15 AM
NoSex   I'm against quotas based on skin color (I know...   Feb 4 2008, 02:28 PM
DoubleJ   Whoa, calling us morons is a little bit much no? I...   Feb 4 2008, 03:21 PM
paperplane   I was going to get into economic quotas in my last...   Feb 4 2008, 04:01 PM
DoubleJ   QUOTE(paperplane @ Feb 4 2008, 04:01 PM) ...   Feb 4 2008, 04:04 PM
Steven   QUOTE(DoubleJ @ Feb 4 2008, 03:04 PM) You...   Feb 4 2008, 06:03 PM
DoubleJ   QUOTE(Steven @ Feb 4 2008, 06:03 PM) your...   Feb 4 2008, 06:10 PM
brooklyneast05   tough topic. i used to show a bit more sympathy to...   Feb 4 2008, 06:03 PM
DoubleJ   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Feb 4 2008, 06:03 ...   Feb 4 2008, 06:22 PM
Steven   Walls of text = hard to read. Not to bash or anyt...   Feb 4 2008, 08:15 PM
DoubleJ   Fixed it just for you Steve.   Feb 4 2008, 08:39 PM
Steven   Affirmative action leads to reverse discrimination...   Feb 5 2008, 10:21 PM
DoubleJ   QUOTE(Steven @ Feb 5 2008, 10:21 PM) Affi...   Feb 5 2008, 10:36 PM
BrandonSaunders   I've been fortunate because I've never had...   Feb 5 2008, 10:27 PM


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