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Rehabilitation or Retribution, Our criminal justice system.
MissHygienic
post Feb 1 2008, 07:09 PM
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Which one should we focus on more in our criminal justice system? Basically, which one would serve as a satisfactory/fitting punishment for prisoners?
 
 
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post Feb 2 2008, 01:35 AM
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I personally feel better mentally about rehabilitation. Punishment always strikes me in an odd place; I've had strange experiences myself with "punishment", and it just irks me that certain people have the authority to say what another "deserves" for their perceived wrongdoing. In any case, more often than not, there is some sort of experience(s) that the criminal had early on in life that somehow affected his/her decision to commit the crime, so when I put that into perspective, I think that rehabilitation is the only "fair" thing to do. Whenever something traumatic happens to someone, we're always so nice until they do something "bad" because of it. Punishment is really not always the best deterrent. It works well with children only because they have not yet developed their own set of morals. Criminals obviously have a greatly differing moral code than most, so their code needs to be analyzed and the "bad" thing needs to be changed.
 
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post Feb 2 2008, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(ersatz @ Feb 2 2008, 01:35 AM) *
I personally feel better mentally about rehabilitation. Punishment always strikes me in an odd place; I've had strange experiences myself with "punishment", and it just irks me that certain people have the authority to say what another "deserves" for their perceived wrongdoing. In any case, more often than not, there is some sort of experience(s) that the criminal had early on in life that somehow affected his/her decision to commit the crime, so when I put that into perspective, I think that rehabilitation is the only "fair" thing to do. Whenever something traumatic happens to someone, we're always so nice until they do something "bad" because of it. Punishment is really not always the best deterrent. It works well with children only because they have not yet developed their own set of morals. Criminals obviously have a greatly differing moral code than most, so their code needs to be analyzed and the "bad" thing needs to be changed.


Sorry Charlie, I'm going to have to look the other way on this one. Americans spend too much money keeping inmates locked away for "rehabilitation" instead of "retribution." Over six billion dollars is spent "rehabilitating" criminals.

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In 1995, the most recent year we can use for comparative purposes, the overall incarceration rate for the United States was 600 per 100,000 population, including local jails (but not juvenile institutions). Around the world, the only country with a higher rate was Russia, at 690 per 100,000.


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"The number of people in prison, in jail, on parole, and on probation in the U.S. increased threefold between 1980 and 2000, to more than 6 million, and the number of people in prison increased from 319,598 to almost 2 million in the same period. This buildup has targeted the poor, and especially Blacks. In 1999, though Blacks were only 13 percent of the U.S. population, they were half of all prison inmates. In 2000, one out of three young Black men was either locked up, on probation, or on parole. The military-industrial complex of the 1950s, with its Cold War communist bogeyman, has been replaced by a prison-industrial complex, with young Black "predators" serving as its justification."


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"From 1984 to 1994, Califomia built 21 prisons, and only one state university...the prison system realized a 209% increase in funding, compared to a 15% increase in state university funding."


They deserve a punishment suitable for their crime. Sitting in a jail cell is punishment, but not punishment enough. You have to give people a reason to fear doing crime. A slap on the wrist is not deterrant enough.
 

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MissHygienic   Rehabilitation or Retribution   Feb 1 2008, 07:09 PM
Steven   If we can only focus on one? Retribution.   Feb 1 2008, 07:29 PM
ersatz   I personally feel better mentally about rehabilita...   Feb 2 2008, 01:35 AM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(ersatz @ Feb 2 2008, 12:35 AM) I pe...   Feb 2 2008, 03:12 AM
IGetSex   QUOTE(ersatz @ Feb 2 2008, 01:35 AM) I pe...   Feb 2 2008, 12:23 PM
ersatz   No...I was referring to the individual's. That...   Feb 2 2008, 10:45 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Feb 2 2008, 02:12...   Feb 2 2008, 06:42 PM
IGetSex   QUOTE(NoSex @ Feb 2 2008, 06:42 PM) Why? ...   Feb 2 2008, 10:27 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(NoSex @ Feb 2 2008, 05:42 PM) Why? ...   Feb 5 2008, 02:48 PM
ersatz   QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Feb 5 2008, 01:48 P...   Feb 10 2008, 12:18 AM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(ersatz @ Feb 9 2008, 11:18 PM) Well...   Feb 10 2008, 01:27 AM
ersatz   QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Feb 10 2008, 12:2...   Feb 10 2008, 05:11 PM
Steven   QUOTE(ersatz @ Feb 10 2008, 04:11 PM) I w...   Feb 10 2008, 05:57 PM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(Steven @ Feb 10 2008, 04:57 PM) It...   Feb 10 2008, 06:17 PM
SoEffinMajor   QUOTE(MissHygienic @ Feb 1 2008, 07:09 PM...   Feb 3 2008, 11:47 PM
IGetSex   QUOTE(SoEffinMajor @ Feb 3 2008, 11:47 PM...   Feb 4 2008, 01:49 AM
SoEffinMajor   QUOTE(IGetSex @ Feb 4 2008, 01:49 AM) Wel...   Feb 4 2008, 12:03 PM
IGetSex   QUOTE(SoEffinMajor @ Feb 4 2008, 12:03 PM...   Feb 5 2008, 08:20 AM
resplendence   QUOTE(SoEffinMajor @ Feb 3 2008, 11:47 PM...   Feb 5 2008, 10:05 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(resplendence @ Feb 5 2008, 09:05 AM...   Feb 5 2008, 11:59 AM
resplendence   ^Are we in Norway? No. So refrain from calling me...   Feb 5 2008, 12:01 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(resplendence @ Feb 5 2008, 11:01 AM...   Feb 5 2008, 12:28 PM
resplendence   I did read it. I was stating my opinion. Just beca...   Feb 5 2008, 02:20 PM
B-NOX   what a long text   Feb 5 2008, 03:36 PM
BrandonSaunders   This topic is rather broad. Its a little difficult...   Feb 9 2008, 09:18 AM
kryogenix   Norway? More like NorGAY.   Feb 10 2008, 02:03 AM
ersatz   It's a matter of treating people a certain way...   Feb 11 2008, 04:14 PM
Steven   QUOTE(ersatz @ Feb 11 2008, 03:14 PM) It...   Feb 11 2008, 04:46 PM
kryogenix   Send all the ghetto gangsters to Norwegian prisons...   Feb 11 2008, 04:32 PM
NoSex   Granted the society in Norway is different, as a w...   Feb 11 2008, 06:27 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Feb 11 2008, 06:27 PM) Gran...   Feb 11 2008, 08:41 PM
resplendence   How about you go to Norway, then?   Feb 11 2008, 07:40 PM
Steven   That and even if some how Americans became more wi...   Feb 11 2008, 08:54 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(resplendence @ Feb 11 2008, 06:40 P...   Feb 11 2008, 09:13 PM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Feb 11 2008, 09:13 PM) With...   Feb 11 2008, 09:21 PM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Feb 11 2008, 08:21 PM) ...   Feb 11 2008, 10:27 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Feb 11 2008, 08:21 PM) ...   Feb 11 2008, 10:33 PM
resplendence   We'll miss you dearly when you do leave for so...   Feb 11 2008, 11:03 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(resplendence @ Feb 11 2008, 10:03 P...   Feb 11 2008, 11:38 PM
paperplane   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Feb 11 2008, 08:41 PM) ...   Feb 12 2008, 12:03 AM
kryogenix   ITT: kids worship Europe and take the US for grant...   Feb 12 2008, 12:33 AM
paperplane   QUOTEWhat are you talking about? Of course you can...   Feb 12 2008, 12:49 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(paperplane @ Feb 12 2008, 12:49 AM)...   Feb 12 2008, 12:56 AM
paperplane   At least mine aren't completely arbitrary.   Feb 12 2008, 12:58 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE( @ Feb 12 2008, 12:58 AM) I have Do...   Feb 12 2008, 03:36 AM
ersatz   You guys keep saying it won't work here, but y...   Feb 12 2008, 08:05 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(ersatz @ Feb 12 2008, 08:05 AM) You...   Feb 12 2008, 09:40 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Feb 12 2008, 08:40 AM) ...   Feb 12 2008, 10:22 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Feb 12 2008, 09:22 ...   Feb 22 2008, 04:23 AM
kryogenix   And I've been saying, what's your point? W...   Feb 22 2008, 08:18 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Feb 22 2008, 07:18 PM) ...   Feb 23 2008, 05:11 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(NoSex @ Feb 23 2008, 05:11 AM) Actu...   Feb 23 2008, 07:24 PM
Reidar   Norway's penal system, or lack thereof, is atr...   Feb 23 2008, 04:44 PM


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