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God, Real or Fake?
DeadlyKitten
post Jan 20 2008, 01:39 AM
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When it comes down to it, science can only go so far. There is a God. There is a greater power that started the growth of a seed, the heart beat of a lion, and the love inside your soul. Loook deep inside yourself then look at the stars. It's hard not to believe.

*Not everyone is a believer, and I accept that*

-Don't take me posting this as a bash tword people that don't believe. A few of my best friends don't believe in God and thats fine.

I posted this to see how people felt on the subject. I put how I felt. I want to know how you feel biggrin.gif
 
 
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NoSex
post Jan 21 2008, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE(monster @ Jan 21 2008, 11:58 AM) *
so where is your evidence on evolution? where is the missing link for the proof of macroevolution?



If you read any of the literature you might know. The amount of available transitional fossils are in exactly the quantity that scientists had predicted them to be in. They are numerous and convincing (the observation of transitional fossils between the land massed whale to the sea worthy mammal is most impressive [1]). But, in the end, your request is not only ignorant, it's also highly deceptive. What are you going to demand next? A transition between a transition (might as well start discussing Zeno's paradox).

Not to mention, believing in "micro-evolution" (which I assume you do), but not believing in "macro-evolution" is equivalent to believing in squares but not rectangles. Macro-evolution is merely the accumulation of micro-evolution over the course of many generations.

QUOTE(monster @ Jan 21 2008, 11:58 AM) *
atheists must also take evolution on guess what: faith.


What? What backwards f**king place are you from? Evolution is a scientific theory supported by and found in hard evidence, reason, logic, and rigorous observation and experimentation. Where belief in religion requires no scrutiny whatsoever and lays claim to no evidence of any sort but fallacious and mistaken philosophical whimsy, Evolution has been one of the most disputed and contended theories of all biology and yet it persists and confirms its existence in each biological principle, new or old : genetics, genealogy, anatomy, physiology, medicine, taxonomy, etc. etc. etc.

There is enough peer reviewed literature and evidence on evolutionary biology to fill an entire over-sized library and that's after half of it had already been burned by insecure psychotics.

QUOTE(monster @ Jan 21 2008, 11:58 AM) *
Won't happen, buddy. Religion is growing, and Christianity is stronger than ever.

As the "great" Nietzsche said; "God is Dead." But God is not dead.


1. Atheism is growing too, a lot, and without half the indoctrination. I mean, how proud can you be of the fact that churches are just enormous and elaborate intellectual rape machines - you have to realize kids believe in Santa Clause and The Easter Bunny after they've already been convinced by their parents and their clergymen that God made them.

2. Nietzsche meant that God is dead to men. It isn't relevant to whether or not a literal god exists or not. He meant to say that the idea of a god no longer has the same influence as he once had, and, in a sense, Nietzsche was very much correct. The archaic vengeful gods of the past were most certainly replaced by more loving and caring gods which would later be replaced again and again.

3. You suck.
 
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post Jan 22 2008, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE(NoSex @ Jan 21 2008, 10:28 PM) *
If you read any of the literature you might know. The amount of available transitional fossils are in exactly the quantity that scientists had predicted them to be in. They are numerous and convincing (the observation of transitional fossils between the land massed whale to the sea worthy mammal is most impressive [1]). But, in the end, your request is not only ignorant, it's also highly deceptive. What are you going to demand next? A transition between a transition (might as well start discussing Zeno's paradox).

Not to mention, believing in "micro-evolution" (which I assume you do), but not believing in "macro-evolution" is equivalent to believing in squares but not rectangles. Macro-evolution is merely the accumulation of micro-evolution over the course of many generations.
What? What backwards f**king place are you from? Evolution is a scientific theory supported by and found in hard evidence, reason, logic, and rigorous observation and experimentation. Where belief in religion requires no scrutiny whatsoever and lays claim to no evidence of any sort but fallacious and mistaken philosophical whimsy, Evolution has been one of the most disputed and contended theories of all biology and yet it persists and confirms its existence in each biological principle, new or old : genetics, genealogy, anatomy, physiology, medicine, taxonomy, etc. etc. etc.

There is enough peer reviewed literature and evidence on evolutionary biology to fill an entire over-sized library and that's after half of it had already been burned by insecure psychotics.
1. Atheism is growing too, a lot, and without half the indoctrination. I mean, how proud can you be of the fact that churches are just enormous and elaborate intellectual rape machines - you have to realize kids believe in Santa Clause and The Bunny Rabbit after they've already been convinced by their parents and their clergymen that God made them.

2. Nietzsche meant that God is dead to men. It isn't relevant to whether or not a literal god exists or not. He meant to say that the idea of a god no longer has the same influence as he once had, and, in a sense, Nietzsche was very much correct. The archaic vengeful gods of the past were most certainly replaced by more loving and caring gods which would later be replaced again and again.

3. You suck.


2. I realize Nietzsche meant that God was dead to men. Exactly why I said religion is growing. Please, actually read what I'm typing to you instead of trying to be an elitist jerk-off.

Also, me believing that micro-evolution exists while believing that macro-evolution does not exist doesn't any way contradict each other.

I still have yet to see hard evidence for macro-evolution. Instead of telling me there's thousands and thousands of books that have evolution proven, then please do give me links to those books. If evolution was truly proven 100%, then we wouldn't have this debate, then.
 

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DeadlyKitten   God   Jan 20 2008, 01:39 AM
yrrnotelekktric   I`m an atheist, so. Sorry, no God for me.   Jan 20 2008, 01:39 AM
doiink   sorry, quite easy to believe that the same reason ...   Jan 20 2008, 01:41 AM
yrrnotelekktric   ^   Jan 20 2008, 01:42 AM
doiink   I also float in water, thus...I BE A WITCH MOTHAf*...   Jan 20 2008, 01:45 AM
yrrnotelekktric   QUOTE(doiink @ Jan 19 2008, 10:45 PM) I a...   Jan 20 2008, 01:50 AM
DeadlyKitten   Thats wicked awsome   Jan 20 2008, 01:49 AM
Joss-eh-lime   real real real real real real real. Gods real.   Jan 20 2008, 02:08 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(DeadlyKitten @ Jan 20 2008, 12:39 A...   Jan 20 2008, 03:34 AM
Joss-eh-lime   QUOTE(NoSex @ Jan 20 2008, 12:34 AM) I ca...   Jan 20 2008, 05:35 PM
jaeman   What're you talking about? Bill Nye the Scienc...   Jan 20 2008, 04:20 AM
tungmyBANANA   RE: God   Jan 20 2008, 04:28 AM
JCLore   God is Real...no doubt about it i can prove it   Jan 20 2008, 04:34 AM
BrandonSaunders   Search topics in the Debate forums before you make...   Jan 20 2008, 04:37 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Jan 20 2008, 03:3...   Jan 20 2008, 04:40 AM
BrandonSaunders   QUOTE(NoSex @ Jan 20 2008, 03:40 AM) I wi...   Jan 20 2008, 04:47 AM
JCLore   QUOTE(NoSex @ Jan 20 2008, 05:40 PM) I wi...   Jan 20 2008, 04:51 AM
Steven   God is dead, and no one cares, if there is a hell,...   Jan 20 2008, 10:28 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(BrandonSaunders @ Jan 20 2008, 03:4...   Jan 20 2008, 11:06 AM
aestheticYOU   This should really be in Debate. I'm not disc...   Jan 20 2008, 11:22 AM
BunkyWhiteGirl   If you believe he's real or not.. I guess you...   Jan 20 2008, 12:14 PM
karmakiller   There's been topics on this already. If you re...   Jan 20 2008, 03:13 PM
DeadlyKitten   Same here. People seem to be nicer to me if anythi...   Jan 20 2008, 11:10 PM
karmakiller   I, personally, have no problem with people who are...   Jan 20 2008, 11:37 PM
tungmyBANANA   RE: God   Jan 20 2008, 11:40 PM
DeadlyKitten   I agree with that. I'm more spiritual then any...   Jan 20 2008, 11:42 PM
JCLore   Im Pentecostal or a "Crazy Penty" in my ...   Jan 20 2008, 11:55 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Jan 20 2008, 0...   Jan 20 2008, 11:58 PM
Fist   Science is not greater than God. God is greater th...   Jan 20 2008, 11:58 PM
tungmyBANANA   QUOTE(Fist @ Jan 20 2008, 08:58 PM) Scien...   Jan 21 2008, 12:05 AM
Joss-eh-lime   QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 20 2008, 09:05 P...   Jan 22 2008, 12:45 AM
tungmyBANANA   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Jan 21 2008, 0...   Jan 22 2008, 01:23 AM
JCLore   QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 22 2008, 02:23 P...   Jan 22 2008, 06:06 AM
monster   QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 22 2008, 01:23 A...   Jan 22 2008, 10:31 AM
DeadlyKitten   same here. my grandma's cathlic but hates blac...   Jan 21 2008, 12:01 AM
DeadlyKitten   Also, like ive said before...God is a fantasy unti...   Jan 21 2008, 12:04 AM
DeadlyKitten   I believe in God and evolution. I guess thats what...   Jan 21 2008, 12:30 AM
Call911Quick   I believe in God. Close thread please, there...   Jan 21 2008, 10:17 AM
Spirited Away   "... he does not hear- and if he heard he sti...   Jan 21 2008, 11:30 AM
monster   QUOTE(tungmyBANANA @ Jan 21 2008, 12:05 A...   Jan 21 2008, 12:58 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(monster @ Jan 21 2008, 11:58 AM) so...   Jan 21 2008, 10:28 PM
monster   QUOTE(NoSex @ Jan 21 2008, 10:28 PM) If y...   Jan 22 2008, 12:11 AM
yrrnotelekktric   ^Wow. I love you for that.   Jan 21 2008, 11:07 PM
Call911Quick   See, the obvious trend her is that Christians try ...   Jan 22 2008, 05:57 AM
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NoSex   QUOTE(monster @ Jan 21 2008, 11:11 PM) 2....   Jan 22 2008, 07:48 AM
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