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god, part 2
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post Jun 11 2004, 11:55 PM
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post Jun 19 2004, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 19 2004, 11:49 AM)
First there are not proven scientific facts contradicting the bible. That is why it is called the Evolution Theory, becuase it cannot be proven. The Bible is real, because God made it, plus there is no way that 66 books with 44 writers written over thousands of years have not contradicted each and speak the truth.

I think you meant that there are not any 'proven scientific facts' that can be accepted as truths to contradict the Bible.

Theories are experiments that have been tested and yield the same result most of the time and is accepted as universal 'truths'. Even Christians must admit that an atom is the smallest unit of an element or that the human body must consists of muscles and bones... etc. Such things are universal 'truths'.

However, in the case of the Bible, there are too many who would deny that the Bible is real. (Note that I did not mention God, only the Bible)

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Miracles are things like surviving cancaer. It was a miracle for that doctor to understand the cancer and be able to treat it. It all comes back to God becaause he is the one who gave us the knowledge he is the one who made us. There is no such thing as just believing in yourself because you can accomplish nothing by yourself.

Science can cure cancer, so can a strong will to live (<--not so sure of the second one).

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Sins are not a matter of opinion, if it were then there would be no laws, no government and we would all be dead. You have to have laws and limits in order to stay alive.

Some laws are meant to be altered, that's why there are amendments. Laws that are required to "stay alive" are laws that everyone must be able to agree with at some point. However, sins are a different story, I think (you would have to correct me if I'm wrong please). Lies are sins, but there are lies that will help people, 'white lies'. But I don't know if God would consider a white lie as grevious of a sin as a harmful lie.



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God made the ten commandents to give us something to follow, like a rubric your teacher gives you. That you should follow these things to get that grade. Wioth the ten commmandments it gives us basic things we should follow.

I've never heard of the Ten Commandments until I was in high school. I never knew commandments before then and I was still a 'good' child. (Though I'm sure we'll have different definitions of what is good).
My morals kept me from doing bad things and my morals were learned from observing other non-believers.

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The idea of evolution is a cult thing to me because they can all believe that science that has not proven evolution and follow it basing all their decisions on it. You can't say Chrisitianity was a cult you would have to say religion was a cult and if that is so you are in a cult because being agonistic and atheist is a religion. 


ryfitaDF made a very good point here. Agnostics and/or Atheists, do not worship as required in religion. Us heathens believe in concepts and the last time I checked concepts are not so hardcore as religions.

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but didn't you say you believe in your self? therefore you would worship yourself


There is a difference between believing and worshipping. I believe that there will be rain, is the not the same as I will worship my belief that there will be rain.
 

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CEP   god   Jun 11 2004, 11:55 PM
abberdabber   this goes out to FAE.. so here ya go. **Is God al...   Jun 11 2004, 11:58 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 11:58 PM)thi...   Jun 12 2004, 12:09 AM
iheartsimba   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 11:58 PM)thi...   Jun 12 2004, 12:19 AM
abberdabber   LoL .. Well you guys obviously didnt read back to ...   Jun 12 2004, 12:22 AM
CEP   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 10:22 PM)LoL...   Jun 12 2004, 01:30 AM
abberdabber   * this will be the last entry submitted * fae wa...   Jun 12 2004, 01:52 AM
synkro   just wondering.. have any of you ever read the boo...   Jun 12 2004, 08:05 AM
princess2113   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 12 2004, 8:05 AM)just wond...   Jun 12 2004, 09:00 AM
synkro   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 12 2004, 9:00 AM)not...   Jun 12 2004, 09:17 AM
princess2113   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 12 2004, 9:17 AM)what...   Jun 12 2004, 10:28 AM
CEP   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 12 2004, 6:05 AM)just wond...   Jun 12 2004, 10:40 AM
IIO__oII   u guys should read MERE CHRISTIANITY.. =] PS...ch...   Jun 12 2004, 11:53 AM
GinaDaQueen   I haven't really read the other topic but from...   Jun 12 2004, 02:21 PM
easilyxamusedx   nicely said.   Jun 12 2004, 02:29 PM
DisneyPrincessKate   I honestly don't see how you can't believe...   Jun 12 2004, 02:31 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(GinaDaQueen @ Jun 12 2004, 2:21 PM)I ha...   Jun 12 2004, 03:17 PM
synkro   it wasn't a question whether the book was true...   Jun 12 2004, 06:27 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 11:58 PM)gos...   Jun 12 2004, 07:16 PM
machinoman   I just saw Saved! and it was great. "Jes...   Jun 13 2004, 02:56 AM
abberdabber   [QUOTE=uninspiredfae,Jun 12 2004, 7:16 PM] Just ...   Jun 13 2004, 03:47 AM
Spirited Away   So things that you speak from the heart comes fro...   Jun 13 2004, 10:15 AM
princess2113   alrite u want us to give u OUR knowledge, but we ...   Jun 13 2004, 10:35 AM
sadolakced acid   i have a question for all you christians out there...   Jun 13 2004, 02:14 PM
abberdabber   alright i jacked it up again, i answered at two di...   Jun 13 2004, 03:13 PM
abberdabber   .QUOTEYou mean God will right the wrongs done to C...   Jun 13 2004, 04:13 PM
IIO__oII   YAY fresh and new! no more scrolling thru 50+ ...   Jun 13 2004, 04:39 PM
abberdabber   yea i know, its a whole lot better than before...   Jun 13 2004, 05:23 PM
princess2113   wait to answer that other persons ??....Creation d...   Jun 13 2004, 08:40 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 13 2004, 10:35 AM)al...   Jun 13 2004, 09:05 PM
Spirited Away   First of all, sorry for double posting. That...   Jun 13 2004, 09:47 PM
princess2113   second-hand knowledge???? u trust ur history book...   Jun 13 2004, 10:01 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 13 2004, 10:01 PM)u ...   Jun 13 2004, 10:06 PM
abberdabber   Fae, are you sure thats the reason you continue to...   Jun 13 2004, 10:06 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 13 2004, 10:06 PM)Fae...   Jun 13 2004, 10:14 PM
DisneyPrincessKate   You guys are so nit-picky and technical. The impo...   Jun 13 2004, 10:42 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(DisneyPrincessKate @ Jun 13 2004, 10:42...   Jun 13 2004, 10:49 PM
princess2113   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 13 2004, 10:06 PM)W...   Jun 13 2004, 10:59 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 13 2004, 10:59 PM)...   Jun 13 2004, 11:05 PM
abberdabber   QUOTEHow have you suffered persecution for your be...   Jun 13 2004, 11:06 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 13 2004, 11:06 PM)Fae...   Jun 13 2004, 11:19 PM
sadolakced acid   sure, christians shouldn't be persecuted for w...   Jun 13 2004, 11:46 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 13 2004, 11:46 PM...   Jun 14 2004, 12:02 AM
abberdabber   Fae, ive been reading through the last few posts o...   Jun 14 2004, 02:25 AM
synkro   i find it interesting that when we say "god...   Jun 14 2004, 04:54 AM
DisneyPrincessKate   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 13 2004, 11:49 PM)W...   Jun 14 2004, 09:43 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 14 2004, 2:25 AM)Fae,...   Jun 14 2004, 10:25 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 14 2004, 4:54 AM)i find it...   Jun 14 2004, 10:34 AM
synkro   QUOTEBut since everyone has been saying that God w...   Jun 14 2004, 10:42 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 14 2004, 10:42 AM)you may ...   Jun 14 2004, 10:54 AM
synkro   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 14 2004, 10:54 AM)I...   Jun 14 2004, 10:58 AM
IIO__oII   QUOTEWhy believe in something I cannot see, when I...   Jun 14 2004, 04:37 PM
ryfitaDF   i'm cool with anyone, believer or not.   Jun 14 2004, 05:54 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 13 2004, 11:05 PM)G...   Jun 14 2004, 07:20 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 14 2004, 10:25 AM)H...   Jun 14 2004, 07:34 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEI know many don't like quotings of the Bi...   Jun 14 2004, 08:59 PM
ryfitaDF   what about all the revisions of the bible? you may...   Jun 14 2004, 09:18 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 14 2004, 9:18 PM)what ab...   Jun 15 2004, 06:40 AM
Retrogressive   i used to be a very strong christian, i even had a...   Jun 16 2004, 04:40 PM
Yemmerz   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 14 2004, 10:18 PM)what a...   Jun 16 2004, 04:46 PM
JlIaTMK   im christian and i personally dont believe so much...   Jun 16 2004, 08:55 PM
shawty_redd   QUOTE(Yemmerz @ Jun 16 2004, 3:46 PM)It does,...   Jun 16 2004, 10:47 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(shawty_redd @ Jun 16 2004, 10:47 PM)so ...   Jun 17 2004, 02:01 AM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 17 2004, 2:01 AM)yes. i ...   Jun 17 2004, 09:14 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jun 17 2004, 9:14 AM...   Jun 17 2004, 09:39 AM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 17 2004, 9:39 AM)I ...   Jun 17 2004, 10:46 AM
Spirited Away   Here you go (<--about midrash).   Jun 17 2004, 10:51 AM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 17 2004, 10:51 AM)H...   Jun 17 2004, 10:56 AM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(loseronaisle5 @ Jun 16 2004, 4:40 PM)bu...   Jun 17 2004, 02:12 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEf i believed in god i wouldn't think he h...   Jun 17 2004, 03:38 PM
onenonly101   QUOTEi don't want to believe in a god who does...   Jun 18 2004, 03:59 PM
Gypsy Eyes   Personally, I dont believe in god. I honestly thin...   Jun 18 2004, 05:56 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ Jun 18 2004, 5:56 PM)Perso...   Jun 19 2004, 12:31 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ Jun 18 2004, 5:56 PM)Perso...   Jun 19 2004, 07:43 AM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE-Evolution is as much as a theory as the stor...   Jun 19 2004, 11:05 AM
onenonly101   QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ Jun 18 2004, 5:56 PM)Perso...   Jun 19 2004, 11:49 AM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 19 2004, 11:49 AM)The...   Jun 19 2004, 12:56 PM
onenonly101   but didn't you say you believe in your self? t...   Jun 19 2004, 04:04 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 19 2004, 11:49 AM)Fir...   Jun 19 2004, 04:20 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 19 2004, 12:56 PM)then w...   Jun 19 2004, 09:30 PM
Lena   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 19 2004, 4:04 PM)but ...   Jun 19 2004, 10:06 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(Lena @ Jun 19 2004, 10:06 PM)CrimsonArc...   Jun 19 2004, 11:01 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEThen I ask you...who created the so called cr...   Jun 20 2004, 01:36 AM
Gypsy Eyes   QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jun 19 2004, 9:30 PM...   Jun 20 2004, 01:49 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ Jun 20 2004, 1:49 PM)Lamb ...   Jun 20 2004, 03:28 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jun 20 2004, 3:28 PM...   Jun 20 2004, 03:53 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 20 2004, 3:53 PM)why not...   Jun 20 2004, 04:00 PM
onenonly101   QUOTEI've never heard of the Ten Commandments ...   Jun 21 2004, 11:47 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 21 2004, 11:47 AM)You...   Jun 21 2004, 12:06 PM
onenonly101   QUOTESo you're saying that before the Ten Comm...   Jun 21 2004, 12:35 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 21 2004, 12:35 PM)I d...   Jun 21 2004, 12:44 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEIf trusting God makes my life easier were tru...   Jun 21 2004, 03:55 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(IIO__oII @ Jun 21 2004, 3:55 PM)maybe i...   Jun 21 2004, 04:35 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEi don't get you. first you say that Chri...   Jun 21 2004, 05:42 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(IIO__oII @ Jun 21 2004, 5:42 PM)err.. w...   Jun 21 2004, 05:47 PM
ComradeRed   How will you spend eternity? Smoking or non-smokin...   Jun 21 2004, 08:15 PM
ryfitaDF   raise your fist in the air. DRUG FREE!   Jun 22 2004, 01:01 AM
stryker76   Yeah i have to agree the christains do suffer more...   Jun 22 2004, 06:10 AM
onenonly101   i don't know if this is what princess and iio_...   Jun 22 2004, 10:13 AM
Beyond Elite   oh my. People are crazy about this topic huh?   Jun 22 2004, 10:44 AM
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