Consequentialism Options

[*Steven*]

Ends justifies the means.

[*Steven*]

Communism in idea isn't bad. It would just, well, never work.

I wouldn't mind being the person out of the money if it didn't change my way of life. If I could still live the way I live and not worry about things, I honestly wouldn't care.I'm not very materialistic and I never have been :)

Regarding the government catering to minorities. I don't believe that we got where we are today by catering to minorities. We got here with a "to hell with everyone else, what about us?" attitude. We did some things back in the day that would be shunned by today's society. Don't take this as me saying Slavery was right, because I have a black friend therefore I'm a presiding expert on the matter . No but seriously, I'm not a supporter :)

I just think it's ridiculous when we have all these minorities immigrating here, taking more from the government than they put back into our economy, and complaining about conditions here. Then they bitch and moan about Christmas, the religion of the majority of America. But It's okay to celebrate Hanukkah, Ramadan, or whatever other Holidays the world celebrates, because that's religiously tolerant.

[Spirited Away]

1. Communism in idea isn't bad. It would just, well, never work.

2. I wouldn't mind being the person out of the money if it didn't change my way of life. If I could still live the way I live and not worry about things, I honestly wouldn't care.I'm not very materialistic and I never have been :)

3. Regarding the government catering to minorities. I don't believe that we got where we are today by catering to minorities. We got here with a "to hell with everyone else, what about us?" attitude. We did some things back in the day that would be shunned by today's society. Don't take this as me saying Slavery was right, because I have a black friend therefore I'm a presiding expert on the matter . No but seriously, I'm not a supporter :)

4 . I just think it's ridiculous when we have all these minorities imm igrating here, taking more from the government than they put back into our economy, and complaining about conditions here. Then they bitch and moan about Christmas, the religion of the majority of America. But It's okay to celebrate Hanukkah, Ramadan, or whatever other Holidays the world celebrates, because that's religiously tolerant.

1. I'd like to talk more about this when I have time.

2. that's the thing, the saying "the means justify the end" means any way to achieve an end, whether it'll hurt people or not can be justified if the outcome's good.

Take Hitler for example, he wanted a world that's consisted of the "perfect" Aryan race (the "end") and he employed many means to rid the imperfect Jews... etc.

So, means that are evil deeds or will do irreversibly damage to human beings, are they justified by "good" consequences?

3. "To hell with everyone" that's NOT American, you mean. Our government very much caters to minority groups, of course not on the same level as the majority--because we are a democracy, but American minorities are among the most well cared for in the world.

4. I'm not sure if we're on topic anymore, but I don't see a problem with people complaining. One of the greatest thing I love about America is freedom of speech. In Vietnam, any mention of "freedom of speech" in the presence of local authority will get a person in shit load of trouble. People DO take advantage of the system and that's not fair to the rest of us, but you shouldn't care. After all, you said that if you can still live the way you live then you wouldn't mind.

For the record, I am against illegal immigration because of the problems they pose to our health care system and tax related matters. The biggest problem is that they break our laws by just being here. But this is for another debate, don't you think?

About Christmas, I don't agree with you. People should have the freedom to say whatever they want. Christmas isn't about religion to anyone but Christians (the same is true for other religious holidays belonging to their respective religion). If you celebrate Christmas, that's great, but keep in mind that others may celebrate differently so you shouldn't force your traditions down people's throats.

Also, we can debate about Christmas as much as you want. As you may know, Christmas wasn't a Christian holiday originally. It was a Pagan celebration turned Christian by the Pope in hope to convert pagans. So by historical and traditional standard, this time of the year belongs to everyone so tolerance is nice and appreciated.

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PS the longer I have to write, the less sense I will make. So please bear with me. ANd please forgive the long post.