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Special Education/Programs for the "Mentally Challenged", Useful or useless?
MissHygienic
post Dec 12 2007, 03:32 AM
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There has been an ongoing debate about whether or not to levy taxes to properly fund public schools. I already know of a few under-funded school districts who forced teachers to work double shifts, and many schools were not able to provide paper, pens, or pencils because no one paid enough taxes.

With that said, what is your opinion on special education that is funded by the state? Public schools are already having a hard enough time. Should people waste more time and money on people with irreconcilable disabilities, or do you believe that all people should have education, whether or not they make use of it?

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superstitious
post Dec 12 2007, 08:29 PM
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Understood, but I do not think that cutting taxes to eliminate them from public education based solely on the fact that they may never be able to fend for themselves is wise. It perpetuates the idea that if you aren't a certain way or if you're not of a certain stature, you're not necessary in the long scheme of things.

I know that's taking a dramatic approach to what you're debating here, but I truly believe it sends the wrong message. There are other things that can be cut. How about reducing salaries such as these? How about focusing less on administrators and more on educators?
 
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post Dec 12 2007, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(superstitious @ Dec 12 2007, 06:29 PM) *
Understood, but I do not think that cutting taxes to eliminate them from public education based solely on the fact that they may never be able to fend for themselves is wise. It perpetuates the idea that if you aren't a certain way or if you're not of a certain stature, you're not necessary in the long scheme of things.

I know that's taking a dramatic approach to what you're debating here, but I truly believe it sends the wrong message. There are other things that can be cut. How about reducing salaries such as these? How about focusing less on administrators and more on educators?


Perhaps you'll take offense to this, and I do so apologize if you do, but how are mentally handicapped people essential by any means? It seems as if they're only a burden to those around them? If we're talking about anything logical, how are they "necessary?" Oh, yeah, they're totally a part of God's great plan, and his big, green Earth, but what the hell do they do, other than consume and drool? Unless you believe in some sort of philosophy in which the weak are necessary as to complement the strong, and to show who is truly compassionate, but this is an abstract point, at best. Answer this: how are they "necessary?"

QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Dec 12 2007, 06:34 PM) *
yeah but that doesn't seem to be the case. if parents had the time and could train them just as effectively i don't see why they are sending them to school in the first place. i don't think they can, not all of them anyway.


As the children are definitively of no benefit, and have no discernible hope, let the parents negotiate some means of caring for them. Day care?
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MissHygienic   Special Education/Programs for the "Mentally Challenged"   Dec 12 2007, 03:32 AM
CowerPointyObjects   Gifted students (typically qualified by having ove...   Dec 12 2007, 03:59 AM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(CowerPointyObjects @ Dec 12 2007, 03...   Dec 13 2007, 01:28 AM
MissHygienic   Well, in the title, I also clarified that it was ...   Dec 12 2007, 04:06 AM
Amechi   QUOTE(MissHygienic @ Dec 12 2007, 03:06 A...   Dec 14 2007, 02:29 AM
CowerPointyObjects   Ah, sorry. It was 4am and I was freaking out about...   Dec 12 2007, 09:10 AM
Steven   Put them in the tard cart and take them to work in...   Dec 12 2007, 09:19 AM
CowerPointyObjects   Anyway (oh how I hate myself for typing this inste...   Dec 12 2007, 09:57 AM
ersatz   But it's not doing its job. These people are n...   Dec 12 2007, 04:24 PM
CowerPointyObjects   Cutting funding certainly isn't going to help ...   Dec 12 2007, 04:54 PM
ersatz   We're not funding special education, is my poi...   Dec 12 2007, 07:17 PM
superstitious   I am definitely going to have to edit this later, ...   Dec 12 2007, 08:05 PM
MissHygienic   QUOTE(superstitious @ Dec 12 2007, 08:05 ...   Dec 12 2007, 08:11 PM
superstitious   QUOTE(MissHygienic @ Dec 12 2007, 07:11 P...   Dec 12 2007, 08:16 PM
brooklyneast05   schools could cut down on other things couldn...   Dec 12 2007, 08:18 PM
Cowboy   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Dec 12 2007, 06:18...   Dec 12 2007, 08:31 PM
MissFits   I have seen these classes work. I used to voluntee...   Dec 12 2007, 08:20 PM
karmakiller   I'm in Special Ed, and I do believe that it he...   Dec 12 2007, 08:22 PM
MissHygienic   I should state that I'm not talking about the ...   Dec 12 2007, 08:23 PM
superstitious   Understood, but I do not think that cutting taxes ...   Dec 12 2007, 08:29 PM
Cowboy   QUOTE(superstitious @ Dec 12 2007, 06:29 ...   Dec 12 2007, 08:36 PM
MissHygienic   QUOTE(superstitious @ Dec 12 2007, 08:29 ...   Dec 12 2007, 08:40 PM
brooklyneast05   yeah but that doesn't seem to be the case. if ...   Dec 12 2007, 08:34 PM
angelrevelation   I work with autistic kids as a "class" a...   Dec 12 2007, 08:41 PM
Cowboy   Those who are completely dependent, and or viably ...   Dec 12 2007, 09:07 PM
superstitious   Not sure what the god's green earth stuff is a...   Dec 12 2007, 09:11 PM
CowerPointyObjects   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Dec 13 2007, 01:28 AM) ...   Dec 13 2007, 11:08 AM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(CowerPointyObjects @ Dec 13 2007, 11...   Dec 13 2007, 03:48 PM
CowerPointyObjects   ...   Dec 13 2007, 04:08 PM
ersatz   We don't have gifted classes. Where's our ...   Dec 14 2007, 08:02 AM
CowerPointyObjects   There's probably just less allocated. No gifte...   Dec 14 2007, 09:37 PM
CowerPointyObjects   Double post <_<   Dec 14 2007, 09:38 PM
NoSex   I don't like retards eating my money.   Dec 18 2007, 04:34 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(NoSex @ Dec 18 2007, 04:34 PM) I do...   Dec 18 2007, 04:37 PM
superstitious   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Dec 18 2007, 03:37 PM) I...   Dec 19 2007, 11:46 AM
Villainess   QUOTE(NoSex @ Dec 18 2007, 03:34 PM) I do...   Dec 19 2007, 11:48 AM
kryogenix   Our highschool was like some kind of magnet school...   Dec 18 2007, 11:09 PM
Uronacid   Here Kyro, Read this.   Dec 19 2007, 08:30 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Dec 19 2007, 08:30 AM) H...   Dec 19 2007, 11:36 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(kryogenix @ Dec 19 2007, 11:36 AM) ...   Dec 19 2007, 04:14 PM
MissFits   In my town we just passed 120 MILLION dollar schoo...   Dec 19 2007, 11:51 AM
Villainess   QUOTE(MissFits @ Dec 19 2007, 10:51 AM) I...   Dec 19 2007, 11:53 AM
MissFits   Exactly! You said exactly what I wanted to say...   Dec 19 2007, 11:54 AM
reptilia   I think that these programs are very useful. I hap...   Dec 19 2007, 12:46 PM
c0cONuTTeR   They should definitely fund special ed classes...   Dec 19 2007, 01:01 PM
Spirited Away   If everyone is in accordance that those with disab...   Dec 19 2007, 02:19 PM
superstitious   QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Dec 19 2007, 01:19 ...   Dec 19 2007, 03:30 PM
The-Abominable-CPillar   This is going to make me sound like an a-hole, but...   Jan 2 2008, 10:18 PM
jaeman   I see these types of programs extremely helpful bu...   Jan 3 2008, 02:45 AM


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