Women's Rights = Divorce Rate, New Debate Topic Options

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The Debate:

The divorce rate has been on a major rise over the past few decades. Women's rights have escalated throughout the course of the previous century and continue the rise in rise in this one. Humankind is searching for sexual equality, but is "equality" really the answer? Scientifically we excel in different areas. Is there a connection between the divorce rate and women's rights?

[Spirited Away]

1. i said the feminist movement has had no affect on the increase in the number of single moms in america's present day society. i refuse to believe that the feminist movement is the reason why everywhere i turn there's another pregnant chick without a ring on her finger.

2. was impressionism a movement? a movement that changed the lives of all artists just as the feminist movement changed the lives of all women, resutlting in collective benefits for women all over the country? i dont understand why you're making a connection between impressionism in art and the feminist movement in life.

1. You make it sound like being a single mom is a bad thing calling them "chicks" without rings on their fingers. Single moms generally don't fit that kind of degrading description. That's another story.

Feminism led to many things, but most important of all (imho): the recognition of "woman". Sojourner said it best: "If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back , and get it right side up again! And now they is asking to do it, the men better let them." This recognition is followed by women on jury duty, woman suffrage, and laws protecting women rights were established.

Fact: in 1900, two-thirds of divorce cases are initiated by the wife; a century earlier, most women lacked the right to sue and were hopelessly locked into bad marriages. (I practically copied and pasted this here from a source. You're more than welcome to research this for yourself)

Mel Krantzler wrote: "To say goodbye is to say hello ... hello to a new life - to a new, freer, more self-assured you. Hello to new ways of looking at the world and of relating to people. Your divorce can turn out to be the very best thing that ever happened to you."

What more do you need to understand that though feminism may not be the sole reason for the increase of single mom's or divorces, but it was a trigger for many societal changes we've seen so far.

2. Are you seriously asking me why made that analogy? You said feminism was a dying movement, not strong enough to make any impact on anything. So I used impressionism as an example of a movement that was thought to be useless and "avant-garde" and also died out quite quickly. However, it made such a strong impact that made critics eat their words.

I'm not making an example between art and life. The context is comparing a movement to a movement. I thought that was clear.

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makes sense to me

Thanks. At least that made sense to someone else and not just me.

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i just dont like it when people compare art and life...but thats just my thing. it's not that the comparisons are futile and not that there is no clear correlation at times between the two ideas, i just prefer correlations between two real life situations...art is not real life to me, but again just personal opinion, it's another debate topic for a later time

Again, not "art and life", but we're comparing two movements. Read within context and you'll understand the analogy.

yea, though they both are movements they are movements of different types, it's like comparing WWI to the War in Iraq just because they are wars doesnt mean they will have the same affect on some topic, i cant think right now lol. you get it? but, anyway, to answer your question, i think the feminist movement intended in no way to limit the likelihood of socio-economic prosperity among women, i believe that being a single mother greatly damages a woman's likelihood of being socially and economically prosperous. therefore, i don't see the comparison...but we've totally re-vamped the debate topic, we're supposed to be comparing women's rights and divorce rates lol.

Um, do you understand what the Impressionism movement was about? I'm not here to teach art history so I won't go into details, but it sounds like you don't see the correlation because you don't understand what the Impressionism movement what went on during that time. However, that itself is unimportant as I'm not here to compare the two in that way. The point was making comparision between two "dying movements" making huge impact in history, as oppose to you implying that a dying movement does not make any impact. Are we savvy?

Feminism help bring about change in how society perceive family. No one is saying that feminism affect the rise of single moms directly, I don't see why you seem to think that, but I hope it's clear now. However, I am saying that feminism brought about changes in policy, family structure...etc., enough to where I can rightly say that it must have indirectly brought on the effects that we're discussing.

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1. You make it sound like being a single mom is a bad thing calling them "chicks" without rings on their fingers. Single moms generally don't fit that kind of degrading description. That's another story.

take it however you'd like...i really don't care what connotation you see in the term chick. my feeling is simply that single moms have it harder than women without children and women who are in relationships with the father of their children and i don't think that is a change the feminist movement intended to bring about.

Feminism help bring about change in how society perceive family. No one is saying that feminism affect the rise of single moms directly, I don't see why you seem to think that, but I hope it's clear now. However, I am saying that feminism brought about changes in policy, family structure...etc., enough to where I can rightly say that it must have indirectly brought on the effects that we're discussing.

i said nothing about the feminist movement's affect on single moms directly or indirectly...i said it had no affect at all. there's the difference. i don't see how women receiving freedoms has led to conditions under which single mothers live these days and the increase in the number of divorces.

[Spirited Away]

1. take it however you'd like...i really don't care what connotation you see in the term chick. my feeling is simply that single moms have it harder than women without children and women who are in relationships with the father of their children and i don't think that is a change the feminist movement intended to bring about.

Did you enjoy ignoring the argument and facts presented? No matter intentions, one event can cause unintentional effects whether or not it wanted them. For example, a driver wanting to get to one destination never intented to collide with another driver or to cause additional traffic by being on the road, but he does anyway. Arguing for "intention" is moot at this point.


2. i said nothing about the feminist movement's affect on single moms directly or indirectly...i said it had no affect at all. there's the difference. i don't see how women receiving freedoms has led to conditions under which single mothers live these days and the increase in the number of divorces.

Where are your stats that feminist movement have no effect on the rise of single mothers? It's nice that you pointed out a difference, but it'll be nicer and more valid with statistics or some kind of evidence to prove your point.

Feminism isn't just about women's freedom. It's about empowering women to make choices for themselves (and not for the men "ruling" them) and so many others. EMPOWERING women comes before receiving women rights, as you may have noticed. The history of the women rights movement is hand in hand with feminism.

Again, it doesn't matter what you think or what you believe, please provide us with statistics or some source to back up your statements. If not, please don't discredit other views (that has some stats) based on your sole opinion. In a religious debate you might be able to get away with it, but facts can be accounted for in this type of discussion.

Disregarding personal choice, I see no reason why you are saying that there should be more women subjected to a life confined in the parameters of their property and a little mini-clone of themselves. Time and time again, we hear women bitching about lower wages because of their sex; they are not being treated equally; they are the lesser of man, yet women end up being housewives, effectively pulling themselves out of the work force, and to watch the kids and monitor the house. This is very clearly gender role separation?

There are many exceptions, and life isn't about fame or wealth, but this world could use more people working, instead of having them at home and thinking about reproducing over and over. This world is already crowded, and if there's one term I can put on housewives, it'd be "heavy consumer." What do they give back to the world? Especially to the women who have kids right after high school. I can't imagine these girls are experienced enough to maximize productivity.

I could see how "women's rights," as in women who go out and pursue a life other than being a housewife, is in correlation with divorce rate because they want equality, and by all means, I support it. I believe it's only a minor factor in divorce rates, however. In a broader aspect, it's mostly girls and boys who end up with the wrong people and learning later on that they made mistakes. Fun.

Nicely put.