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Nov 20 2007, 10:17 PM
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Alright, this is sort of in response to Podo's (monster's) "feeble attempt" thread.
I'm an atheist. I don't believe in the existence of any god whatsoever. Any questions? |
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Nov 26 2007, 05:29 PM
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How do you deal with the hatred for being a atheist? do people really hate atheists though? Oh, people f**king despise atheists. I've gotten a lot of guff in my life for all sorts of absurd things (being a rapist, a drug dealer, a devil worshiper, etc. etc.) but the one thing reality does not force itself against is my atheism. I am indeed an atheist - and, a lot of people have thought all sorts of unfavorable things of me for just that. Generally, this does not concern me. Atheism is more accepted and more popular than it has ever been - it's actually sort of nice. And, it has always been a blessing in disguise - people's hatred. When people react to my atheism in such a manner as to signify bigotry, ignorance, or just good ol' stupidity, it's really easy to file away faces in all the right places. Essentially, it becomes really easy to choose your "friends" and to choose your "enemies." I've had plenty of Christian friends, but for each I've probably had three irreligious friends. I'm not too much of a discriminating anus, but, in the same vain, I must admit I don't have much tolerance for spirituality (I pretty much hate it). But, this disfavor on each case makes a lot of sense - both parties have very different, often very divergent, world views. Theists and atheists are people who see the world dramatically different from one another. This difference cause tension and conflict which often manifests itself in hateful behavior. Altogether though, and this is largely anecdotal, I have found theists to be far more hateful, unforgiving, and uncivil in comparison to atheists. This may have something to do with the fact that for a theist these questions are of utter importance. For an atheist, many of these questions are jokes - they could care less in many cases. A passionate hatred tends to be that much more passionate when hell fire is in question. If I were a Christian, for example, I would be more afraid allowing my children to play with an atheist than I would allowing them to play with child molesters and murders. Think about it - In one case you're risking their immortal and eternal soul, in the other case you're only risking their fleshy bodies. It's a no brainer! In either case, atheists are definitely one of the most hated, if not the most hated minority in all of America. [1] And you should hear what atheists say. It's a two way street pal. A two-way street? Are you kidding me? It's more like a dirt path taken by horse and buggy against about fifty super-highways all headed in the opposite direction. The numbers are staggering. The many people who explicitly hate atheists against those who dislike Christians are stupendous. It's just unyieldingly obvious that is isn't so simple that both parties dislike each other. This is an army of spiritualists against a small band of rogues - it's like a f**king holocaust of hate. Not that it isn't fun or anything. As having experienced both worlds. It's really no difference. Atheists have a faith that there is no god. They'll say it's not faith. In fact, it is faith because they can't prove there isn't a god. Same goes with Christians and those of all faiths. They have equal faith there is a god. And also have no evidence there is a god. So, if we can't prove something absolutely we have "faith" in it? Alright, given that broad interpretation of "faith" then we all have faith in all things to a certain gradation. If you push it enough, there might be no distinction at all - might as well render "faith" as meaningless. Rather, I would like to explore another definition - something I think is more commonly accepted. Hell, let's use the god damn Bible! Hebrews 11:1 (NASB) "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." Hmm. It's becoming a bit more clear. Simply, I would argue that faith is belief which is disproportional to reason and evidence. Faith is an emotional manifestation - an intricate and masked version of wishful-thinking. Now, you seem to argue that atheists and theists both have this so-called "faith." Even further, you seem to posit that they have an equitable faith - that it is of similar quality. If this were true evidence and reason would have to be as disproportional in the case of an atheistic position as it would be for a theistic position - this is a proposition of which your initial premises denounce. You argue that theists have no proof that there is a god, thus they have faith. So, in what case would they not have faith? If they didn't believe in god? Are you starting to see how silly your position is? To demonstrate by way of analogy: Do I have faith that unicorns and Santa Clause does not exist? If I do, is this so-called "faith" proportional to the faith of believers in unicorns and Santa Clause despite the blatant lack of evidence? |
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Nov 27 2007, 08:47 AM
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Oh, people f**king despise atheists. I've gotten a lot of guff in my life for all sorts of absurd things (being a rapist, a drug dealer, a devil worshiper, etc. etc.) but the one thing reality does not force itself against is my atheism. I am indeed an atheist - and, a lot of people have thought all sorts of unfavorable things of me for just that. Generally, this does not concern me. Atheism is more accepted and more popular than it has ever been - it's actually sort of nice. And, it has always been a blessing in disguise - people's hatred. When people react to my atheism in such a manner as to signify bigotry, ignorance, or just good ol' stupidity, it's really easy to file away faces in all the right places. Essentially, it becomes really easy to choose your "friends" and to choose your "enemies." I've had plenty of Christian friends, but for each I've probably had three irreligious friends. I'm not too much of a discriminating anus, but, in the same vain, I must admit I don't have much tolerance for spirituality (I pretty much hate it). But, this disfavor on each case makes a lot of sense - both parties have very different, often very divergent, world views. Theists and atheists are people who see the world dramatically different from one another. This difference cause tension and conflict which often manifests itself in hateful behavior. Altogether though, and this is largely anecdotal, I have found theists to be far more hateful, unforgiving, and uncivil in comparison to atheists. This may have something to do with the fact that for a theist these questions are of utter importance. For an atheist, many of these questions are jokes - they could care less in many cases. A passionate hatred tends to be that much more passionate when hell fire is in question. If I were a Christian, for example, I would be more afraid allowing my children to play with an atheist than I would allowing them to play with child molesters and murders. Think about it - In one case you're risking their immortal and eternal soul, in the other case you're only risking their fleshy bodies. It's a no brainer! In either case, atheists are definitely one of the most hated, if not the most hated minority in all of America. [1] A two-way street? Are you kidding me? It's more like a dirt path taken by horse and buggy against about fifty super-highways all headed in the opposite direction. The numbers are staggering. The many people who explicitly hate atheists against those who dislike Christians are stupendous. It's just unyieldingly obvious that is isn't so simple that both parties dislike each other. This is an army of spiritualists against a small band of rogues - it's like a f**king holocaust of hate. Not that it isn't fun or anything. So, if we can't prove something absolutely we have "faith" in it? Alright, given that broad interpretation of "faith" then we all have faith in all things to a certain gradation. If you push it enough, there might be no distinction at all - might as well render "faith" as meaningless. Rather, I would like to explore another definition - something I think is more commonly accepted. Hell, let's use the god damn Bible! Hebrews 11:1 (NASB) "Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." Hmm. It's becoming a bit more clear. Simply, I would argue that faith is belief which is disproportional to reason and evidence. Faith is an emotional manifestation - an intricate and masked version of wishful-thinking. Now, you seem to argue that atheists and theists both have this so-called "faith." Even further, you seem to posit that they have an equitable faith - that it is of similar quality. If this were true evidence and reason would have to be as disproportional in the case of an atheistic position as it would be for a theistic position - this is a proposition of which your initial premises denounce. You argue that theists have no proof that there is a god, thus they have faith. So, in what case would they not have faith? If they didn't believe in god? Are you starting to see how silly your position is? To demonstrate by way of analogy: Do I have faith that unicorns and Santa Clause does not exist? If I do, is this so-called "faith" proportional to the faith of believers in unicorns and Santa Clause despite the blatant lack of evidence? Nate you are one of the most "hardcore" religion hating athiests I know. I have felt it myself. You have barely any tolerance for someone who talks about their faith, almost none. You have a big mouth when it comes to that subject. Sometimes it's as if you go out of your way to offend people when the topic comes up. If a conversation of faith comes up, you're the first one to step up to the plate and try to make a religious person look stupid for being religious. No-one likes someone who makes them look stupid for something that they have grafted into their life. Perhaps the pain your receive from religious people is due to the effects of your own actions. They don't hate athiests, they hate you. The part about kids, I don't trust anyone Christian or Non-Christian. Yes, Christians are supposed to have a moral standard, but the majority of them don't follow it. People are sinful, and the don't stop sinning. I say that you're just as likely to be raped/molested by someone who claims to be a Christian as you are by someone who claims to be an atheist. They are just as sinful as many athiests. Lol, are you sure they called you a call you a rapist because your an atheist? I never had a problem with athiests. It doesn't bother me when someone believes strongly in something I don't. Believe whatever you want. I'll answer questions about my faith, but I don't need to defend it. xD The faith part, you're choosing not to believe and we're choosing to the believe. You do have faith that he doesn't exist. I know this because you try so hard to prove us that he doesn't exist. You can't prove he doesn't exist. We can't prove that he does. You're choosing. |
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Nov 27 2007, 07:33 PM
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They don't hate athiests, they hate you. Way off base; I know a ton of very serious and dedicated Christians who absolutely love me. You're just sort of clueless; you would be better off not trying to play psychoanalysis. How would you explain the unexplainable? You don't. If you can't explain something it's just that simple, you can't. Inventing some sort of supernatural entity doesn't serve as an explanation, it serves as an excuse - often a comfortable one. (ex: "Where do we go when we die?" "Well, all the bad people go to a very bad place and all the people who believe exactly what I do - I mean, all the people who are good - go to a very good place.") |
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Nov 28 2007, 09:02 AM
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Way off base; I know a ton of very serious and dedicated Christians who absolutely love me. You're just sort of clueless; you would be better off not trying to play psychoanalysis. I'm not trying. I'm sure that there are people who are Christians and like you. I never said that there weren't I didn't even imply that there weren't. The only thing I am trying to get across is: You go out of your way to make religious people look dumb here on cB. What makes me think you don't do this in real life. I'm sure there are people who hate you because you're an atheist, but there are probably more who hate you because of the way you carry yourself. Don't play the charity case. It's not that hard being an atheist. It's not your atheism that bothers people; it's your attitude. I only say this based upon your actions here on cB. I don't know you in real life, but you sound like a pussy. Talking abotu how "difficult" it is to be an atheist. You make it sound like you're being pressured into Christianity because you face so many hardships as an atheist. Let me tell you, you're not alone. Even as a Christian I get ripped up by the people in my own church. Turns out, I'm not as "religious" as they expect me to be. I'm sure we share some of the same issues with Christians. I haven't been called a rapist, but have been told I'm going to hell several times. While those things may "hurt"; I don't bitch about it. It's actually not that difficult to suck it up and move on. It's not my place to judge them. God will do that for me, and the God that they believe in will judge them for what they've done to you. "Oh, people f**king despise atheists. I've gotten a lot of guff in my life for all sorts of absurd things (being a rapist, a drug dealer, a devil worshiper, etc. etc.)" i remember when i "came out" in 6th grade during lunch and everyone swarmed around me like i had a disease and said, "what??? you don't believe in god? wtf? how do you?... [more questions]" fast forward like 7 years and 90% of them don't believe anymore or if they do they never go to church like they once proclaimed. They were young and immature Jeanna. They were probably just repeating what their parents told them. |
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If I were an athiest also, and I though... Dec 2 2007, 10:45 PM
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