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My feeble attempt at the explanation of Christianity., You ask questions, and I'll try to answer.
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post Nov 3 2007, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(RAWRstephishere @ Nov 2 2007, 06:38 PM) *
Prove there is a God.



I'm creating this thread to see if I myself can try to answer questions that question or even contradict myself and the religion that I believe in.

Here's how it goes, all of you ask me questions about Christianity, and I'll try my best to answer them with the little theological knowledge that I know.
 
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 01:28 PM
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this question is wordy, but ok

i'm not saying this IS how it is, i'm just saying it's what i've been told numerous times so maybe u can clear it up. christians seem to have some notion that life on earth is ultimately pointless for atheists since we aren't trying to achieve an afterlife. but when i ask what is the point for christians is i've been told that it's like a test, to see if they're "worthy" for heaven. i don't understand what the point of this "test" is, because god is attributed as being omniscient, therefore he already knows all there is to know. before each of us is born, he knows what is going to happen. we can change our beliefs as much as we want but it's only a change to us, because ultimately god already knew what we would do and what conclusion we could come to. so this test seems pointless to me, he could go ahead and put the people in heaven who belong there because he already knows who will go and who won't.

so maybe u can explain to me why god would bother "testing" something he already knows that outcome of.

the idea of an omniscient god works so incredibly poorly with the idea of free will, i have no clue how people don't question this but ok.
 
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post Nov 5 2007, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 01:28 PM) *
this question is wordy, but ok

i'm not saying this IS how it is, i'm just saying it's what i've been told numerous times so maybe u can clear it up. christians seem to have some notion that life on earth is ultimately pointless for atheists since we aren't trying to achieve an afterlife. but when i ask what is the point for christians is i've been told that it's like a test, to see if they're "worthy" for heaven. i don't understand what the point of this "test" is, because god is attributed as being omniscient, therefore he already knows all there is to know. before each of us is born, he knows what is going to happen. we can change our beliefs as much as we want but it's only a change to us, because ultimately god already knew what we would do and what conclusion we could come to. so this test seems pointless to me, he could go ahead and put the people in heaven who belong there because he already knows who will go and who won't.

so maybe u can explain to me why god would bother "testing" something he already knows that outcome of.

the idea of an omniscient god works so incredibly poorly with the idea of free will, i have no clue how people don't question this but ok.

You have two questions here, I'll answer the first one, but the next one, I'm gonna go ahead and quote NoSex because you two seem to be asking the same question.

First off, it's no test.

There is no test and there's no point requirement. Being a Christian means that there is a life of servitude to God. It's either you are a servant to God, or you aren't. No test.

Besides, if there was a test, no one would pass. :)
 

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Podomaht   My feeble attempt at the explanation of Christianity.   Nov 3 2007, 11:48 AM
brooklyneast05   good topic idea first though, are u someone who t...   Nov 3 2007, 11:53 AM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 12:53 ...   Nov 3 2007, 12:00 PM
Sandraaa   Wow, brave one dude! OK. Here's mine: I...   Nov 3 2007, 12:00 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Nov 3 2007, 01:00 PM) Wo...   Nov 3 2007, 12:05 PM
Sandraaa   ^ Above you.   Nov 3 2007, 12:02 PM
Sandraaa   I also find it strange that someone'll conside...   Nov 3 2007, 12:10 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Nov 3 2007, 01:10 PM) I ...   Nov 3 2007, 12:18 PM
brooklyneast05   why is there suffering to such an extent? if god i...   Nov 3 2007, 12:14 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 01:14 ...   Nov 3 2007, 12:25 PM
Sandraaa   Podo, I read all your edits. Man, haha!   Nov 3 2007, 12:16 PM
Sandraaa   God is love. OK. So, what's up with Christians...   Nov 3 2007, 12:22 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Nov 3 2007, 01:22 PM) Go...   Nov 3 2007, 12:29 PM
Sandraaa   It sure looks as though God chose Africa to be the...   Nov 3 2007, 12:36 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Nov 3 2007, 01:36 PM) It...   Nov 3 2007, 12:44 PM
brooklyneast05   why is the bible so sexist? there's multiple ...   Nov 3 2007, 12:47 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 01:47 ...   Nov 3 2007, 12:52 PM
Sandraaa   Well I don't feel anything. I guess I'm do...   Nov 3 2007, 12:49 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Nov 3 2007, 12:49 PM) We...   Nov 3 2007, 12:51 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 01:51 ...   Nov 3 2007, 12:53 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Nov 3 2007, 01:49 PM) We...   Nov 3 2007, 12:56 PM
brooklyneast05   "Let the woman learn in silence with all subj...   Nov 3 2007, 12:55 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 01:55 ...   Nov 3 2007, 12:58 PM
Podomaht   By the way, there are many female pastors who lead...   Nov 3 2007, 12:59 PM
brooklyneast05   how do we know what's metaphor and what's ...   Nov 3 2007, 01:03 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 02:03 ...   Nov 3 2007, 01:06 PM
brooklyneast05   in peter when it says that slaves should be subjec...   Nov 3 2007, 01:13 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 02:13 ...   Nov 3 2007, 01:21 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 3 2007, 01:21 PM) Li...   Nov 3 2007, 01:23 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 02:23 ...   Nov 3 2007, 01:25 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 3 2007, 01:25 PM) Sl...   Nov 3 2007, 01:28 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 02:28 ...   Nov 3 2007, 01:30 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 3 2007, 01:30 PM) Wh...   Nov 3 2007, 01:33 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 02:33 ...   Nov 3 2007, 01:36 PM
NoSex   Why doesn't god heal amputees?   Nov 3 2007, 01:20 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(NoSex @ Nov 3 2007, 02:20 PM) Why d...   Nov 3 2007, 01:22 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 3 2007, 12:22 PM) Go...   Nov 3 2007, 07:44 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(NoSex @ Nov 3 2007, 07:44 PM) But h...   Nov 4 2007, 01:49 AM
S-Majere   Damn Podomaht, you've impressed me with this t...   Nov 3 2007, 01:33 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(S-Majere @ Nov 3 2007, 02:33 P...   Nov 3 2007, 01:38 PM
brooklyneast05   everyone believes their god is the one true god. h...   Nov 3 2007, 01:47 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 02:47 ...   Nov 3 2007, 01:54 PM
Sandraaa   How do we know that God's a man?   Nov 3 2007, 01:55 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Nov 3 2007, 02:55 PM) Ho...   Nov 3 2007, 01:58 PM
karmakiller   Wow, this is deffinately an interesting topic. Goi...   Nov 3 2007, 01:56 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(karmakiller @ Nov 3 2007, 02:56 PM)...   Nov 3 2007, 02:02 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 3 2007, 02:02 PM) Th...   Nov 3 2007, 02:06 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 3 2007, 03:06 ...   Nov 3 2007, 02:08 PM
karmakiller   Maybe I just had a pastor who was didn't like ...   Nov 3 2007, 02:13 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(karmakiller @ Nov 3 2007, 03:13 PM)...   Nov 3 2007, 02:15 PM
Podomaht   Guys, I'm done for now. I'm going out for ...   Nov 3 2007, 02:24 PM
karmakiller   ^ I guess god hasn't yet figured out a way to ...   Nov 3 2007, 07:50 PM
brooklyneast05   ^ other situations are different. this amputee one...   Nov 3 2007, 07:54 PM
karmakiller   Well, if god's up there, or out there... or wh...   Nov 3 2007, 08:27 PM
RAWRstephishere   Hey look, thats my quote. So God made everything,...   Nov 3 2007, 08:47 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(RAWRstephishere @ Nov 3 2007, 08:47...   Nov 3 2007, 08:55 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(RAWRstephishere @ Nov 3 2007, 08:47...   Nov 4 2007, 01:51 AM
Podomaht   NoSex, I'm not quite sure as to what you...   Nov 4 2007, 01:54 AM
Podomaht   It's late, guys. We can continue tommorow. Go...   Nov 4 2007, 02:03 AM
Laughsalot   ok now back to the slavery topic. it's becuase...   Nov 4 2007, 03:08 AM
Podomaht   QUOTE(Laughsalot @ Nov 4 2007, 03:08 AM) ...   Nov 5 2007, 01:13 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 5 2007, 12:13 AM) Li...   Nov 5 2007, 04:28 PM
alovesopure   Dang, Podo. You are a brave one. kudos. & so ...   Nov 5 2007, 01:38 AM
Podomaht   QUOTE(alovesopure @ Nov 5 2007, 01:38 AM)...   Nov 5 2007, 11:45 AM
brooklyneast05   this question is wordy, but ok i'm not saying...   Nov 5 2007, 01:28 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 01:28 ...   Nov 5 2007, 05:29 PM
brooklyneast05   why do u need to serve god on earth? i don't u...   Nov 5 2007, 05:41 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 05:41 ...   Nov 5 2007, 05:52 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 5 2007, 06:52 PM) No...   Nov 5 2007, 05:56 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 05:56 ...   Nov 5 2007, 06:25 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 5 2007, 07:25 PM) Th...   Nov 5 2007, 06:27 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 06:27 ...   Nov 5 2007, 06:29 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 05:27 ...   Nov 5 2007, 06:30 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(NoSex @ Nov 5 2007, 06:30 PM) No, b...   Nov 5 2007, 06:38 PM
Sulfur-in-K   I didn't read the earliest posts, so I may pos...   Nov 5 2007, 06:20 PM
brooklyneast05   even if i agreed with u there, god isn't anyth...   Nov 5 2007, 06:32 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 06:32 ...   Nov 5 2007, 06:37 PM
brooklyneast05   yes, but WHY do u serve him. do u serve him only b...   Nov 5 2007, 06:40 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 06:40 ...   Nov 5 2007, 06:46 PM
fire   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 6 2007, 10:40 ...   Nov 5 2007, 06:54 PM
brooklyneast05   ^hmmm true, it would be diff for everyone i suppos...   Nov 5 2007, 06:49 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 06:49 ...   Nov 5 2007, 06:51 PM
brooklyneast05   yeah but he's all knowing remember, he knew it...   Nov 5 2007, 06:52 PM
RAWRstephishere   Why did God create us? Just so he could have litt...   Nov 5 2007, 06:55 PM
fire   QUOTE(RAWRstephishere @ Nov 6 2007, 10:55...   Nov 5 2007, 07:01 PM
RAWRstephishere   QUOTE(fire @ Nov 5 2007, 07:01 PM) Gensis...   Nov 5 2007, 07:07 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(RAWRstephishere @ Nov 5 2007, 06:55...   Nov 5 2007, 08:35 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(RAWRstephishere @ Nov 5 2007, 06:55...   Nov 5 2007, 08:41 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 5 2007, 09:41 PM) Al...   Nov 5 2007, 08:49 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 08:49 ...   Nov 5 2007, 08:51 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 5 2007, 09:51 PM) Ge...   Nov 5 2007, 08:55 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 08:55 ...   Nov 5 2007, 09:02 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Podomaht @ Nov 5 2007, 10:02 PM) Of...   Nov 5 2007, 09:04 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(fire @ Nov 5 2007, 08:01 PM) Gensis...   Nov 5 2007, 07:07 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Nov 5 2007, 07:07 ...   Nov 5 2007, 08:36 PM
fire   Gods motive for creating us was His motive of love...   Nov 5 2007, 07:18 PM
brooklyneast05   ^no offense but u just need to let podo answer.   Nov 5 2007, 07:20 PM
fire   Ahhh okay, can't say I tried, I'll step ou...   Nov 5 2007, 07:31 PM
NoSex   You never addressed my most formulated and biting ...   Nov 5 2007, 08:55 PM
Podomaht   QUOTE(NoSex @ Nov 5 2007, 08:55 PM) You n...   Nov 5 2007, 09:00 PM
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