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Affirmative Action, i had to
onenonly101
post May 16 2004, 05:40 PM
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Should Affirmative Action be outlawed?

I want to hear what others say before I comment
 
 
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onenonly101
post Jun 17 2004, 07:39 PM
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You also presented many MYTHS about Affirmative Action here are some, btw affirmative action does NOT hurt Asian-Americans

MYTH: Affirmative action hurts Whites and Asians.

FACT: Though affirmative action is believed to have harmed white men, this contradicts the reality that white men hold structural power in society today. For example, a Washington Post study shows that 95% of top corporate executives are white males. Asians benefit in many ways from affirmative action by making use of services provided by programs such as the Educational Opportunity Program, Upward Bound, and so on. It is another myth to believe that all Asians are a success story. A UCLA School of Urban Planning study shows that Pacific Islanders and South East Asians have poverty rates which are three times greater than white Americans. Other studies indicate enrollment of Pilipinos in higher education is much closer to African-Americans and Latinos that other Asians. Asians, revered as the "model minority" includes Pacific Islanders, South East Asians and Philipinos, yet there are distinct disparities between say a third generation Chinese student and a first generation Cambodian refugee. Thus affirmative action can only help not hinder the Asian community.

MYTH: Affirmative action is reverse discrimination, it gives preferential treatment to people of color and women.
FACT: Racism is power plus discrimination. The parameters of discrimination based on race are distinguished by the power dynamics. Reverse racism is not, therefore a reality if people of color are not in positions of power and perpetrating the discrimination. An Urban Institute study shows that less that 100 of 3000 cases could be considered reverse discrimination. Less that six of those cases were deemed by the court to be substantiated.
Affirmative action has been mislabeled "preferential treatment" for certain members of society. In reality it is a kind of social restitution and an attempt to create a more democratic society. President Johnson, in describing affirmative action, stated, "You do not take a person who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him and bring him to the starting line of a race and say, 'You are free to compete with others,' and still justly believe that you have been completely fair." Thus, it is not enough just to open the gates of opportunity: all must have the ability to walk through those gates. Affirmative action is an attempt to facilitate a more level playing field.
Affirmative action recognizes the interconnectedness of race, class, gender. Many of the symbolic gates are beyond reach due to economic disparity which in turn is one of the effects of racism. We cannot divorce these interconnected issues from one another. Beginning with the consideration of race as permissible in university admissions, in the Regents of the University of California vs. Bakke, the court rejected the notion that the constitution prohibits considerations of race. In the UC system, race and ethnicity are not solely considered for admissions. Thus, there is no such thing as preferential treatment. Other criteria such as socio-economic level, state residency, special abilities, disabilities, familial ties and athletic ability are used in determining admissions. These supplemental criteria benefit everyone, not only people of color.

Myth: Nobody else gets special consideration when applying to a college or for a job. Why should all women and people of color?
Fact: Lots of people get "special" consideration when applying for jobs or to schools.
Veterans often get preferences in workplaces and on campuses — which usually benefit men more than women. The children of alumni get preferential treatment over others in admission to college. Friends help friends and acquaintances get jobs. Affirmative Action helps open doors for women and people of color who often don't have those connections.

Myth: Affirmative Action lowers standards in education and the workplace by letting unqualified people get ahead.
Fact: Affirmative Action helps qualified candidates overcome racism and sexism.
Affirmative Action is an investment in the future. By the time today's college students are at the height of their careers, one-third of the population will be comprised of African Americans and Latinos/Latinas.
 

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onenonly101   Affirmative Action   May 16 2004, 05:40 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ May 16 2004, 5:40 PM)Shou...   May 16 2004, 05:59 PM
kryogenix   bah, affirmative action isn't fair. people sho...   May 16 2004, 08:24 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(kryogenix @ May 16 2004, 8:24 PM)bah, a...   May 17 2004, 09:54 AM
dasturbd   getting hired/accepted because of the color of you...   May 17 2004, 10:24 AM
Kathleen   Yeah, as others have said before me - it's rev...   May 17 2004, 02:08 PM
onenonly101   But what if they were denied the job because they ...   Jun 9 2004, 10:29 PM
ComradeRed   *Ahem* First, if your goal was to make sure that ...   Jun 10 2004, 11:52 AM
onenonly101   QUOTESecond, my right to free association trumps y...   Jun 10 2004, 01:47 PM
ComradeRed   But it applies to unviersities as well. If I run a...   Jun 10 2004, 02:12 PM
ryfitaDF   my reasons i won't be able to get in agood col...   Jun 10 2004, 07:15 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEmy reasons i won't be able to get in agoo...   Jun 13 2004, 06:07 PM
synkro   so then we all agree that: - a person should be hi...   Jun 14 2004, 05:26 AM
sadolakced acid   affirmitave action is discrimination for certain m...   Jun 15 2004, 02:30 PM
onenonly101   it is not discrimination. Job discrimination is gr...   Jun 15 2004, 03:44 PM
sadolakced acid   oh , so treating on race better isn't racism. ...   Jun 15 2004, 04:37 PM
JlIaTMK   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 15 2004, 4:37 PM)...   Jun 16 2004, 09:17 PM
onenonly101   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 15 2004, 4:37 PM)...   Jun 17 2004, 06:58 AM
sadolakced acid   they don't say it. they treat asians and whit...   Jun 17 2004, 02:21 PM
onenonly101   it is not legalized racism affirmative action. The...   Jun 17 2004, 06:41 PM
onenonly101   You also presented many MYTHS about Affirmative Ac...   Jun 17 2004, 07:39 PM
Mini   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 17 2004, 2:21 PM)...   Jun 17 2004, 09:09 PM
juliar   QUOTE(Mini @ Jun 17 2004, 10:09 PM)i totally ...   Jun 17 2004, 09:51 PM
sadolakced acid   no, he is being sarcastic and pointing out a few f...   Jun 18 2004, 12:22 PM
sadolakced acid   i like your definition of racism. very political....   Jun 18 2004, 12:28 PM
onenonly101   Affirmative Action helps Asians.Asians benefit in ...   Jun 18 2004, 02:47 PM
sadolakced acid   DO I HAVE TO SCREAM IT?!?! AFFIRMATIVE AC...   Jun 18 2004, 03:12 PM
onenonly101   do i have to scream AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS NOT DISC...   Jun 18 2004, 03:33 PM
Spirited Away   <-- Agree that Affirmative Action is helpful to...   Jun 19 2004, 04:39 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTEAffirmative Action helps Asians.Asians benefi...   Jun 20 2004, 08:40 PM
sadolakced acid   we don't need affirmative action. we need som...   Jun 21 2004, 01:41 PM
ComradeRed   We need to follow the Constitution... The Fourteen...   Jun 21 2004, 08:20 PM
onenonly101   ....   Jun 22 2004, 10:03 AM
ComradeRed   The Constitution is a lot like wearing your seat b...   Jun 24 2004, 09:25 AM
xquizit   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 18 2004, 2:47 PM)Ok I...   Jun 24 2004, 10:11 AM
ComradeRed   Do you have any PROOF that racism exists in public...   Jun 24 2004, 10:21 AM
bigpoppaproppy   affirmitive action is bullshit how can you cure r...   Jun 30 2004, 07:35 AM
sadolakced acid   nice.   Jul 6 2004, 01:47 PM
rnrn897   hm.. i read the replies but im still a bit unsure ...   Jul 6 2004, 01:59 PM
onenonly101   QUOTE(bigpoppaproppy @ Jun 30 2004, 7:35 AM)a...   Jul 6 2004, 03:27 PM
ComradeRed   Why not? Racism, by definition, is valuing race a...   Jul 6 2004, 03:30 PM
bigpoppaproppy   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 6 2004, 3:27 PM)and y...   Jul 6 2004, 05:40 PM
sadolakced acid   AA if quite racist. it uses to race to determine ...   Jul 7 2004, 10:08 AM
EmeraldKnight   QUOTEAA if quite racist. it uses to race to determ...   Jul 7 2004, 10:10 AM
sadolakced acid   they're not going to get rid of it, even after...   Jul 7 2004, 10:12 AM
ComradeRed   Because it's totally sleazy. You can, if you w...   Jul 7 2004, 05:36 PM
sadolakced acid   and so it shows. everyone agrees it would be wr...   Jul 7 2004, 06:00 PM
onenonly101   ^ you are a big hypocrite, if you are against it d...   Jul 8 2004, 01:59 PM
bigpoppaproppy   rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm) n. ...   Jul 8 2004, 02:39 PM
onenonly101   No not if i do not beleive it is discriminatory. a...   Jul 8 2004, 02:40 PM
sadolakced acid   if i were to deny you a job because of your race, ...   Jul 8 2004, 02:48 PM
bigpoppaproppy   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 8 2004, 2:40 PM)No no...   Jul 8 2004, 03:14 PM
onenonly101   since you are using the word based. Afirmative Act...   Jul 8 2004, 03:21 PM
ComradeRed   Then it's also sexist, etc. Your argument is l...   Jul 8 2004, 03:40 PM
Sumiaki   Humans naturally like to classify things. Whether ...   Jul 8 2004, 03:46 PM
ComradeRed   Thanks to protests and some civil disobedience in ...   Jul 8 2004, 03:49 PM
bigpoppaproppy   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 8 2004, 3:40 PM)Then i...   Jul 8 2004, 03:50 PM
onenonly101   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 8 2004, 3:40 PM)Then i...   Jul 8 2004, 04:23 PM
ComradeRed   1) It doesn't help people overcome racist circ...   Jul 8 2004, 07:24 PM
bigpoppaproppy   go red   Jul 8 2004, 07:38 PM
Sumiaki   QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jul 8 2004, 7:24 PM)1) It ...   Jul 8 2004, 10:09 PM
EmeraldKnight   Minda.. you're too good, you shouldnt be allow...   Jul 9 2004, 12:58 AM
ComradeRed   Haha, thanks :).   Jul 9 2004, 11:54 AM
sadolakced acid   our society has become so fearful of being accused...   Jul 9 2004, 02:54 PM
onenonly101   ^I'm tired of hearing that I am not qualified ...   Jul 10 2004, 10:47 AM
redsoxbaby87   it is wrong. they should just accept you because o...   Jul 10 2004, 01:35 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 10 2004, 10:47 AM)Ser...   Jul 10 2004, 03:55 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE^I'm tired of hearing that I am not quali...   Jul 10 2004, 04:47 PM
Sumiaki   You're too good at debating. lol. Never in my ...   Jul 10 2004, 05:37 PM
onenonly101   QUOTEUnsubstantiated claim. I'm not being raci...   Jul 10 2004, 07:50 PM
onenonly101   QUOTEAnd what is this with people "hiding the...   Jul 10 2004, 08:29 PM
ComradeRed   And what makes you think this only happens to bl...   Jul 10 2004, 09:32 PM
onenonly101   I never said it only happened to blacks. All I s...   Jul 11 2004, 02:31 PM
ComradeRed   Then why does that justify AA if people hide rac...   Jul 11 2004, 04:01 PM
onenonly101   First why do you only bring up Ivy league, never d...   Jul 11 2004, 09:30 PM
sadolakced acid   no, but you did say it was effective in the ivy le...   Jul 11 2004, 09:53 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jul 11 2004, 9:30 PM)Firs...   Jul 12 2004, 12:17 PM
onenonly101   acid- i never said anything about ivy league. I ha...   Jul 12 2004, 12:42 PM
xxcrazynutmeg   what's affirmative action? yeah i know, i...   Jul 12 2004, 01:01 PM
JlIaTMK   QUOTE(xxcrazynutmeg @ Jul 12 2004, 1:01 PM)wh...   Jul 12 2004, 01:35 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTENo one can prove that it is Affirmative actio...   Jul 12 2004, 01:48 PM
sadolakced acid   QUOTEFirst why do you only bring up Ivy league, ne...   Jul 12 2004, 01:55 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 17 2004, 7:39 PM)You ...   Jul 12 2004, 01:57 PM
ComradeRed   As for exploiting the system, I am going to do the...   Jul 12 2004, 02:14 PM
onenonly101   QUOTEMYTH: The ACLU is a fair and balanced source ...   Jul 13 2004, 10:37 AM
ComradeRed   Then you should cite the source. It's called a...   Jul 13 2004, 11:48 AM
onenonly101   corruption, where? QUOTEnote the 'only effect...   Jul 13 2004, 04:51 PM
ComradeRed   Well if you define working as "raising minori...   Jul 13 2004, 07:46 PM
sadolakced acid   alright, so the stats say that minorities are drop...   Aug 1 2004, 09:05 PM
sadolakced acid   and, in an instance i agree with bush. however ...   Aug 8 2004, 06:25 PM
xquizit   - whooops posted in wrong thread - *blushes in em...   Aug 12 2004, 11:05 AM
sikdragon   shools, businesses, or any other organization shou...   Aug 14 2004, 06:20 AM
monde libre   hey kids. having read the entire thread (except fo...   Nov 15 2004, 01:40 PM
tweeak   QUOTE(kryogenix @ May 16 2004, 8:24 PM)bah, a...   Nov 15 2004, 04:57 PM
monde libre   oh, come on you guys. i typed up all those questio...   Nov 16 2004, 01:22 PM
tweeak   i did! i answered at the very least 2...   Nov 16 2004, 04:59 PM
ComradeRed   QUOTEA) do you propose any alternatives to affirma...   Nov 16 2004, 07:07 PM
monde libre   whoops. wrong quote. mais merci beaucoup, minda.   Nov 17 2004, 07:44 PM


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