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bombings on japan, were the really needed |
Jun 6 2004, 04:51 PM
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do u guys think the 2 bombs dropped on japan during WW2 were really needed?
i say no because they just killed innoc3nt people in those 2 citys and it left a perment mental damage on my grandma (im japanese) so what do u guys think |
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Jun 17 2004, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE(NaTiMaRiE @ Jun 17 2004, 5:44 PM) Of course war isn't a game, but the fact of the matter is that unconditional surrender wasn't going to bring about peace. The bombings on Japan weren't necessary and there were possibly other ways to prevent the deaths of many people (including American soldiers). I'm just still debating on placing two atomic bombs...I just don't think that dropping the bomb in Nagasaki was truly necessary. I agree in that the second bomb on Nagasaki was unnecessary (I conceed to that much while debating with comradered), but as kyro said the second one ensured surrender. Not only that it brought a sense of security during the time of confusion to America, especially while our relationship with Russia was wavering. After all, Truman would've been bashed by many Americans if it was known that we had WMD and did not use it to secure surrender of the country that attacked Pearl. While I agree that it was unnecessary, I will maintain that the bombs were justified. QUOTE Yes, the Japanese were still willing to fight before the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, but then after intercepting those messages from the Emperor, he stated that he was going to surrender. The American Military didn't care and were still going to drop the bomb on Nagasaki anyways. Basically, those intercepted messages didnt' mean squat. Nagasaki was never the intended target. At first, the target was to be Kokura, now part of Kitakyushu, however, heavy cloud diverted the target to nearby Nagasaki. The damage to Nagasaki was wasn't as intense as in Hiroshima because of the city's topography. Truman was under time pressure to keep Stalin's forces out. If the war was prolonged there would have been more casualties. No such weapon of mass destruction has ever been created. Its power could not have been conceived by those who do not know the weapon for what it is, as was the case of most Americans. Understanding the military culture of Japan during that era, surrender would be considered disgrace. It's was hard to know whether or not the Emperor's word of surrender would be carried out by the military. |
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Mr. Psychotic bombings on japan Jun 6 2004, 04:51 PM
CEP The Japenese were clearly losing even before the t... Jun 6 2004, 04:55 PM
Yemmerz the us didnt have to bomb japan. they could of don... Jun 6 2004, 04:58 PM
Mr. Psychotic QUOTE(chinkieeyedpnoi @ Jun 6 2004, 4:55 PM)T... Jun 6 2004, 05:00 PM
IIO__oII well... the bombs DID make the japanese surrender.... Jun 7 2004, 12:05 AM
Spirited Away To answer this question, I asked myself: Was it re... Jun 7 2004, 12:09 AM
krnxswat Well as much as I want to say it wasn't, I thi... Jun 7 2004, 12:12 AM
Mr. Psychotic QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 7 2004, 12:09 AM)To... Jun 7 2004, 12:45 AM
krnxswat QUOTE(innoc3nt619 @ Jun 7 2004, 1:45 AM)see t... Jun 7 2004, 12:47 AM
177emories yes that it did kill innocent ppl... but then it e... Jun 7 2004, 01:31 AM
Spirited Away QUOTE(innoc3nt619 @ Jun 7 2004, 12:45 AM)see ... Jun 7 2004, 01:34 AM
tkproduce from a lot of european countries' point of vie... Jun 9 2004, 02:37 AM
Spirited Away Here is a weak attempt to justify the nuclear bomb... Jun 9 2004, 09:59 AM
tkproduce The second bomb was a bit pointless wasn't it? Jun 10 2004, 07:51 AM
mipadi QUOTE(tkproduce @ Jun 10 2004, 8:51 AM)The se... Jul 25 2005, 08:31 AM
kryogenix QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 25 2005, 8:31 AM)Were eith... Jul 25 2005, 09:27 AM
mipadi QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 25 2005, 10:27 AM)And t... Jul 25 2005, 09:35 AM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 25 2005, 9:35 AM)Maybe, ma... Jul 25 2005, 12:32 PM
kryogenix QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 25 2005, 9:35 AM)Maybe, ma... Jul 26 2005, 10:55 AM
Spirited Away QUOTE(tkproduce @ Jun 10 2004, 7:51 AM)The se... Jun 10 2004, 09:48 AM
ComradeRed Getting Japan to surrender was just a pretext. The... Jun 10 2004, 12:03 PM
xscore QUOTE(krnxswat @ Jun 7 2004, 12:47 AM)What... Jun 10 2004, 12:35 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(xscore @ Jun 10 2004, 12:35 PM)wtf?
im ... Jun 10 2004, 12:39 PM
onenonly101 The bombings were needed, just not in the place th... Jun 10 2004, 01:53 PM
juliar QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jun 10 2004, 1:03 PM)Getti... Jun 10 2004, 03:58 PM
ComradeRed Uh... yes they were. The Emperor himself already p... Jun 10 2004, 05:10 PM
Spirited Away Well, the US gave many warnings in advance but Jap... Jun 10 2004, 05:51 PM
ComradeRed It was not an unconditional surrender. It was a su... Jun 10 2004, 05:57 PM
Spirited Away The US wanted an unconditional surrender, but Japa... Jun 10 2004, 06:42 PM
ComradeRed Originally hardliners within the US demanded that ... Jun 10 2004, 06:46 PM
Spirited Away So then back to the original topic, there were sti... Jun 10 2004, 06:50 PM
ComradeRed Yes, a lieutenant in the Eastern District Army (th... Jun 10 2004, 06:52 PM
Spirited Away Commited suicide... Japanese's way of commitin... Jun 10 2004, 06:59 PM
ComradeRed No, if the US guaranteed the Emperor's positio... Jun 10 2004, 07:06 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jun 10 2004, 7:06 PM)No, i... Jun 10 2004, 07:19 PM
ComradeRed Justified, perhaps. Necessary, no. Jun 10 2004, 07:34 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(ComradeRed @ Jun 10 2004, 7:34 PM)Justi... Jun 10 2004, 07:38 PM
honorguard Nope! I guess they just wanted it to feel more... Jun 10 2004, 07:40 PM
kryogenix QUOTE(innoc3nt619 @ Jun 6 2004, 4:51 PM)do u ... Jun 11 2004, 04:13 PM
stryker76 i am very patriotic toward my country...not like m... Jun 11 2004, 09:57 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(stryker76 @ Jun 11 2004, 9:57 PM)I mean... Jun 11 2004, 09:59 PM
NatiMarie I think it was unnecessary for the bombs to be pla... Jun 11 2004, 10:42 PM
AntiAnodyne QUOTE(tkproduce @ Jun 9 2004, 2:37 AM)from a ... Jun 14 2004, 08:48 AM
kryogenix QUOTE(NaTiMaRiE @ Jun 11 2004, 10:42 PM)I thi... Jun 15 2004, 05:50 AM
sadolakced acid no, the US just didn't want to invade japan. ... Jun 15 2004, 02:21 PM
JlIaTMK those werent needed
there was just more ppl kille... Jun 16 2004, 09:20 PM
NatiMarie QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jun 15 2004, 2:50 AM)They w... Jun 16 2004, 09:23 PM
Spirited Away Well, when Japan attacked Pearl, they killed many ... Jun 16 2004, 11:32 PM
NatiMarie Two wrongs don't make a right. Yeah, the Japan... Jun 16 2004, 11:46 PM
Spirited Away Actually, there was NO declaration of WAR until th... Jun 16 2004, 11:50 PM
NatiMarie Still...why the need to bomb Nagasaki. Why couldn... Jun 16 2004, 11:56 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(NaTiMaRiE @ Jun 16 2004, 11:56 PM)Still... Jun 17 2004, 12:09 AM
NatiMarie Quote: ComradeRed told me that basically (I think)... Jun 17 2004, 12:38 AM
kryogenix QUOTE(NaTiMaRiE @ Jun 16 2004, 11:56 PM)Still... Jun 17 2004, 05:55 AM
Spirited Away QUOTE(NaTiMaRiE @ Jun 17 2004, 12:38 AM)The U... Jun 17 2004, 09:21 AM
Kitsune_black666 Um...I think the bombing just made the surrender c... Jun 17 2004, 10:09 AM
NatiMarie QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 17 2004, 6:21 AM)Th... Jun 17 2004, 02:14 PM
sadolakced acid everyone is asking, why drop 2 bombs. i'm goi... Jun 17 2004, 02:27 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(NaTiMaRiE @ Jun 17 2004, 2:14 PM)Okay..... Jun 17 2004, 02:41 PM
NatiMarie QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 17 2004, 11:41 AM) ... Jun 17 2004, 05:44 PM
NatiMarie QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 17 2004, 3:33 PM)I ... Jun 21 2004, 02:47 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(NaTiMaRiE @ Jun 21 2004, 2:47 PM)Sorry.... Jun 21 2004, 02:52 PM
winsome QUOTETruman was under time pressure to keep Stalin... Jun 22 2004, 01:07 PM
Spirited Away QUOTE(winsome @ Jun 22 2004, 1:07 PM)Of cours... Jun 22 2004, 01:09 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEQUOTE (winsome @ Jun 22 2004, 1:07 PM)
Of co... Jun 29 2004, 01:08 AM
sadolakced acid most agree the bomb was necessary. the first one.... Jun 29 2004, 01:51 AM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEmost agree the bomb was necessary. the first ... Jun 29 2004, 09:53 AM
sadolakced acid haha. i was in a hurry.
we had to sneak past t... Jun 30 2004, 10:50 AM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEoh, but you see. the japanese could have stop... Jun 30 2004, 02:44 PM
sadolakced acid i ment militarily wounded.
they were still able... Jun 30 2004, 07:15 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEi ment militarily wounded.
Gotcha
QUOT... Jul 1 2004, 01:26 AM
FlyingFries well......if the US hadn't dropped the two bom... Jul 1 2004, 12:31 PM
sadolakced acid the emperor tried to surrender. some people took ... Jul 1 2004, 01:08 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEby the way, the second bomb, fat man, it miss... Jul 1 2004, 08:45 PM
Justingamemaster ROCK ON!!
Tom Cruise is in fault for this... Jul 1 2004, 09:18 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEROCK ON!!
Tom Cruise is in fault for... Jul 1 2004, 09:53 PM
kryogenix QUOTE(EmeraldKnight @ Jul 1 2004, 8:45 PM)And... Jul 2 2004, 09:51 AM
NatiMarie QUOTE(kryogenix @ Jul 2 2004, 6:51 AM)because... Jul 3 2004, 12:37 PM
sadolakced acid they were going to. but then they kidnapped thier... Jul 3 2004, 05:39 PM
CrackedRearView Well, if you want justification in the dropping of... Jul 9 2004, 12:26 PM
EmeraldKnight QUOTEWell, if you want justification in the droppi... Jul 9 2004, 01:15 PM
sadolakced acid the civilians were.
at okinawa, when the america... Jul 9 2004, 02:36 PM
Hell-Rell It was too drastic. They could have used other bom... Jul 25 2005, 09:32 AM
mipadi But Japan already knew we could utterly destroy th... Jul 25 2005, 12:33 PM
yukichan QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 25 2005, 7:33 AM)But Japan... Jul 26 2005, 03:37 AM
sadolakced acid nagasaki sped things up.
the japanese didn't ... Jul 25 2005, 12:56 PM
Kristinaa QUOTE(Mr. Psychotic @ Jun 6 2004, 4:51 PM)do ... Jul 25 2005, 01:29 PM
Shahin I completely agree with the United States involvem... Jul 25 2005, 11:00 PM
sikdragon It helped more than just Japan. It made the world ... Jul 25 2005, 11:39 PM
mipadi Arguably for "psychological purposes", b... Jul 26 2005, 12:24 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 26 2005, 12:24 PM)Arguably... Jul 26 2005, 12:32 PM
mipadi There was a coup of some military officers that wa... Jul 26 2005, 12:35 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 26 2005, 12:35 PM)There wa... Jul 26 2005, 12:39 PM
mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 26 2005, 1:39 PM)... Jul 26 2005, 12:40 PM
sadolakced acid QUOTE(mipadi @ Jul 26 2005, 12:40 PM)I'm ... Jul 26 2005, 12:43 PM
mipadi QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jul 26 2005, 1:43 PM)... Jul 26 2005, 12:52 PM
sadolakced acid ever heard of a guerilla resistance?
just because... Jul 26 2005, 09:35 PM
mipadi Actually, I believe you're the one arguing tha... Jul 27 2005, 12:09 PM
sadolakced acid oh what, so bombing a military target isn't ju... Jul 27 2005, 05:23 PM![]() ![]() |