Supporting the Troops End the War Options

[Kontroll]

It baffles me when I see these bumper stickers that say 'Support the Troops End the War.' Is that really supporting the troops? Also, we are not in a war right now. We are in a conflict. Congress never declared war on Iraq, Afganistan, or any other countries since 9.11.

The mentality of the men and women in the service is so extreme, especially in the army and marines, that anyone whose never experienced it, really has no say that has any value. It's like a gym teacher trying to teach philosophy. You have to understand that most of the soldiers in Iraq or any other neighboring countries wanted to be there. That's why they signed up. They are taught to be prepared at all times to go to war. It's a soldiers profession to kill. It's their mission.

Saying that, if we don't support their mission, how can we support the people that are carrying it out? It doesn't make any sense. If you've got people back home saying that the war is stupid and wrong, then that is affecting the soldiers because now they have their leaders telling them what they need to do, and others telling them it's wrong. If anything, we should support the conflict.

That's the great thing about a voluntary military. No one forces you to join. And if some body does force you, then it's your fault that you went forth and gave the oath. They ask you right then and there if anyone is forcing you to join, speak now.

In conclusion, those opposed to the current conflict are only creating more damage to society and other societies. If we have any chance of getting out of the Middle East any faster the best thing to do is support our President and his choices. That's how our country made it through WWII. People decided to participate by building weapons and giving food to the troops. They donated money. Until Pearl Harbor we shouldn't have had any involvement, but the American citizens decided that it would be in the best interest to do something instead of talking about it negatively.

Please give me your comments.

[*Steven*]

^f**k you too then. The troops don't sign up to go shoot people. They have to do what they're told. They sign up to defend the country, and in my opinion there's nothing more honorable than that. Without the troops and the army/navy/marines/airforce, we wouldn't be where we are right now. All the wars in the past (OMG WORLD WARS!!!) could have taken a different turn and we could very well be speaking german right now. If you knew the least bit about history and involvement with the military, you would understand the importance of having a military that's capable, at all times.

Also by supporting their want to leave, that supports insubordination in the military, and a military who doesn't listen to their commanders and does whatever they want isn't a very organized military. A non-organized military can be easily, very easily, beaten.

[NoSex]

^f**k you too then. The troops don't sign up to go shoot people. They have to do what they're told. They sign up to defend the country, and in my opinion there's nothing more honorable than that. Without the troops and the army/navy/marines/airforce, we wouldn't be where we are right now. All the wars in the past (OMG WORLD WARS!!!) could have taken a different turn and we could very well be speaking german right now. If you knew the least bit about history and involvement with the military, you would understand the importance of having a military that's capable, at all times.

Yeah, compare the "War in Iraq" to the World Wars.
You're an idiot. I don't respect people who do things merely because they're told to. Further, I don't buy into the idea that a lot of troops sign up for the sole purpose of protecting our country - I'm sure a few do, but I wouldn't imagine it being a very significant number. And, really, being involved in military action doesn't always mean that said action is in place to protect our country. The mere reality of fighting doesn't mean it has a justified or necessitated point. In the case of Iraq, I would argue that we are definitely fighting, but it isn't a fight designed to protect the American people. Worst of all, I would argue it is making us less safe. So, there is no real defense of the country involved in the Iraq war. None whatsoever.

I support some wars, and I do not support others. I support certain military actions, while I do not support the rest. You seem to be arguing that we should accept all military action, merely because it is military action. This, to me, is not a very convincing argument. We have to look at the context and content of the war - the reasoning behind it, the intended goals. And, then, we have to compare these justifications and goals to the fabric of reality. Here, I'm going to say one word, and you should understand: Vietnam.

Also by supporting their want to leave, that supports insubordination in the military, and a military who doesn't listen to their commanders and does whatever they want isn't a very organized military. A non-organized military can be easily, very easily, beaten.

Uhmm, it's called "Supporting the Troops" for a reason, jackass.
If you want to call it "Supporting a Strong Military", then go for it. But, they're not the same thing.

[bat19]

You're an idiot. I don't respect people who do things merely because they're told to.

Call him an idiot but I'll call you retarded because thats the most retarded thing Ive ever heard. Joining the military is a job, just like any other. People for the most part join the military for some guidance with their lives because they are unsure of what to do for a living. Which is fine, and the military is definitely a respectful path. But like every job they have to do what their told or they'll get fired, or worse. In the case of the military they will get arrested. So no, they may not want to shoot people, but thats what we as taxpayers paid for them to train to do and thats what they signed up for when they took the job in the first place.

Im guessing you're about 13 with your hand on your cock looking at nudie pics while you type half the bullshit you spew out. When you get a little older, you'll realize that when you have a job with a boss, you either do what he tells you or say goodbye to that job.

[NoSex]

When you get a little older, you'll realize that when you have a job with a boss, you either do what he tells you or say goodbye to that job.

When it comes down to shooting at strangers and being shot at by strangers for the insurance of fat cat bank accounts, you're a sick, immoral, weak, and scared fool if you don't leave. What kind of people are you talking about? The kind that get their kicks by blowing up innocent people from the safety and distance of the sea? f**k them. Stand up for what you think is right. Say "no" to the military.

Your miserable attempt at an analogy fails. Of course, cause you're an idiot. What should I expect from a "Ra ra, I love war" moron like yourself?
I wash dishes. I do it for money. It isn't that offensive.
Killing people for oil, not so inoffensive. Moron.

Wage earners everywhere, rejoice! You can get paid to kill!
Stop! Put down that dish! Pick up a gun! Get your legs blown off!

[*Uronacid*]

When it comes down to shooting at strangers and being shot at by strangers for the insurance of fat cat bank accounts, you're a sick, immoral, weak, and scared fool if you don't leave. What kind of people are you talking about? The kind that get their kicks by blowing up innocent people from the safety and distance of the sea? f**k them. Stand up for what you think is right. Say "no" to the military.

Your miserable attempt at an analogy fails. Of course, cause you're an idiot. What should I expect from a "Ra ra, I love war" moron like yourself?
I wash dishes. I do it for money. It isn't that offensive.
Killing people for oil, not so inoffensive. Moron.

Wage earners everywhere, rejoice! You can get paid to kill!
Stop! Put down that dish! Pick up a gun! Get your legs blown off!

Omg, get out of America. Go move to another country. Jeremy is so completely correct. War is about money. Life is about competition to survive in every aspect. We aren't killing people who aren't shooting at us or others, and please don't give me some horror story about how a very tiny (less than 0.01%) minority of soldiers went crazy and killed some-one for no reason. We're killing terrorists and people who are shooting at us. It's not like were just going into another country running and gunning innocent people.

Nate, oil is definitely one of our goals (it's just not politically correct), but it's not the only one. Since when have we been blowing up innocent people from a "safe" distance. Our soldiers are being shot at, and we are stationed within Iraq itself. You're just throwing out a bunch of falsified information.

You sound like another tool that heard something from someone they know that was really upsetting. LMAO, YOU ARE WASHING DISHES YOU LEMMING.

Also Nate, how can you accuse Jeremy of being immoral. You're an atheist. There is no moral standard for atheism. In atheism, morals are relative to the individual. You're morals are set by a combination of the society you live in and the way it effects you. Seeing as it's impossible for someone to have the life as you, no-one has the same morals as you. No-one gives a fuck about what you deem is immoral or moral because it doesn't matter. Why should we care. It's not like you're part of a religion that sets a moral standard for you interpret or debate.

On a side note:
LMAO, you're just a loose pussy Nate (someone who has been f**ked up by pacifistic bullshit to the point of no return). When this country goes to war on it's homeland you're going to get a bullet in your ass, and I'll put a bullet in your head to ease the pain. I don't want a coward on my side that's not willing to do what's necessary to survive. Pacifism is nothing but an idea that will never happen. It's a dream and nothing more. Keep washing dishes and listening to "John Mayer". You can be one of those morons "Waiting on the World to Change". Aren't you 19 years old... OMG get a new job... looser. xD

People who have the balls and honor to complete what they signed up for and not run away like cowards.

This reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw the other day that made me chuckle:
Excluding nazism, fascism, communism, and slavery, war has never solved anything.

You can come back with a retort saying it's dumb to not be the coward and f**k honor it doesn't mean a damn thing if you're dead, but I'd rather be dead and remembered as a hero than known all my life as a coward who fled combat while my friends were being shot at.

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!

[NoSex]

Omg, get out of America. Go move to another country. Jeremy is so completely correct. War is about money. Life is about competition to survive in every aspect. We aren't killing people who aren't shooting at us or others, and please don't give me some horror story about how a very tiny (less than 0.01%) minority of soldiers went crazy and killed some-one for no reason. We're killing terrorists and people who are shooting at us. It's not like were just going into another country running and gunning innocent people.

Nate, oil is definitely one of our goals (it's just not politically correct), but it's not the only one. Since when have we been blowing up innocent people from a "safe" distance. Our soldiers are being shot at, and we are stationed within Iraq itself. You're just throwing out a bunch of falsified information.

You sound like another tool that heard something from someone they know that was really upsetting. LMAO, YOU ARE WASHING DISHES YOU LEMMING.

Also Nate, how can you accuse Jeremy of being immoral. You're an atheist. There is no moral standard for atheism. In atheism, morals are relative to the individual. You're morals are set by a combination of the society you live in and the way it effects you. Seeing as it's impossible for someone to have the life as you, no-one has the same morals as you. No-one gives a fuck about what you deem is immoral or moral because it doesn't matter. Why should we care. It's not like you're part of a religion that sets a moral standard for you interpret or debate.

On a side note:
LMAO, you're just a loose pussy Nate (someone who has been f**ked up by pacifistic bullshit to the point of no return). When this country goes to war on it's homeland you're going to get a bullet in your ass, and I'll put a bullet in your head to ease the pain. I don't want a coward on my side that's not willing to do what's necessary to survive. Pacifism is nothing but an idea that will never happen. It's a dream and nothing more. Keep washing dishes and listening to "John Mayer". You can be one of those morons "Waiting on the World to Change". Aren't you 19 years old... OMG get a new job... looser. xD
AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!!

I'll get back to your dumb ass in a while, I just got back from Bloomington. This recycled bullshit is too boring to comment on when I'm this tired.

[*Uronacid*]

I'll get back to your dumb ass in a while, I just got back from Bloomington. This recycled bullshit is too boring to comment on when I'm this tired.

Wash those recycled dishes Nate. Don't come back til' you're a man.