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Supporting the Troops End the War
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post Aug 29 2007, 12:20 PM
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It baffles me when I see these bumper stickers that say 'Support the Troops End the War.' Is that really supporting the troops? Also, we are not in a war right now. We are in a conflict. Congress never declared war on Iraq, Afganistan, or any other countries since 9.11.

The mentality of the men and women in the service is so extreme, especially in the army and marines, that anyone whose never experienced it, really has no say that has any value. It's like a gym teacher trying to teach philosophy. You have to understand that most of the soldiers in Iraq or any other neighboring countries wanted to be there. That's why they signed up. They are taught to be prepared at all times to go to war. It's a soldiers profession to kill. It's their mission.

Saying that, if we don't support their mission, how can we support the people that are carrying it out? It doesn't make any sense. If you've got people back home saying that the war is stupid and wrong, then that is affecting the soldiers because now they have their leaders telling them what they need to do, and others telling them it's wrong. If anything, we should support the conflict.

That's the great thing about a voluntary military. No one forces you to join. And if some body does force you, then it's your fault that you went forth and gave the oath. They ask you right then and there if anyone is forcing you to join, speak now.

In conclusion, those opposed to the current conflict are only creating more damage to society and other societies. If we have any chance of getting out of the Middle East any faster the best thing to do is support our President and his choices. That's how our country made it through WWII. People decided to participate by building weapons and giving food to the troops. They donated money. Until Pearl Harbor we shouldn't have had any involvement, but the American citizens decided that it would be in the best interest to do something instead of talking about it negatively.

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post Sep 1 2007, 10:20 PM
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^whatever the hell that means, its pretty gay.

Afghanistan. That was the original target. We then decided to attack Saddham over the dreaded "WMD's." Uh oh people. The fact is that we're there, doesn't matter why, the only thing that matters now is how long. The country is split down the middle on the topic of War. Liberals hate war and protest, Conservatives love war and support. It all boils down to what's best for the economy, because in our modern times that is really all that matters. Our involvement in WWII took us out of our greatest depression, our involvement in this war just might bring us back into one. War used to be a money making machine, but no longer since the advent of computers and factories run by machines. When computers build war technology faster and more efficiently than humans, there is no profit for our country. Where is the profit of War now?

In the oil.

I'll be the first to admit I hate that we are at war, especially in a country that we shouldn't have been in in the first place. However, to remain a "superpower" and our dominating status as the greatest country in the world we need to control the resource in highest demand. So what is best? What is best in the long run?

Economists want what is best for the country.
Libertarians want what is best for the world.

It is impossible to choose the most beneficial choice because what benefits one group does not benefit another. It is the problem, the first problem, as old as existence. There are two sides to every problem, two sides to every debate. There is never a problem with one specific solution(unless you count mathematics, but we're not, we're talking ethics) that everyone can agree upon. Moral problems come down to majority decision, economical problems come down to what creates the highest capital.

Basically, we don't want to be in Iraq, but we need to be there. We need to keep our standard of living in this country, our multi-million dollar movies, our billions of dollars a year spent on bottled water when countries in Africa don't even have running water. We need our Hot Pockets and our Next Top Model shows, and this will be our eventual downfall.

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JakeKKing   Supporting the Troops End the War   Aug 29 2007, 12:20 PM
Steven   Actually, war hasn't been declared since WWII.   Aug 29 2007, 12:41 PM
JakeKKing   Well, thank you for the clarity.   Aug 29 2007, 12:42 PM
Steven   Just supporting your point. I agree with you, but...   Aug 29 2007, 12:47 PM
karmakiller   It reminds me of when I driving around with one my...   Aug 29 2007, 01:48 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(karmakiller @ Aug 29 2007, 02:48 PM...   Aug 29 2007, 02:36 PM
Steven   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Aug 29 2007, 02:36 PM) ...   Aug 29 2007, 05:53 PM
karmakiller   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Aug 29 2007, 02:36 PM) ...   Aug 29 2007, 08:03 PM
LovableGullible   QUOTE(karmakiller @ Aug 29 2007, 11:48 AM...   Sep 3 2007, 01:38 AM
jammylise   I kinda support your opinion on this. But when you...   Aug 29 2007, 03:36 PM
SoEffinMajor   war is defined as a conflict carried on by force o...   Aug 29 2007, 06:11 PM
Steven   I don't care what the hell the definition as y...   Aug 29 2007, 06:12 PM
faydedprimadonna   i definately don't agree with the "confli...   Aug 29 2007, 07:03 PM
Bishinobi   You could support the troops by caring for their g...   Aug 29 2007, 07:55 PM
Steven   QUOTE(faydedprimadonna @ Aug 29 2007, 07...   Aug 29 2007, 09:38 PM
faydedprimadonna   QUOTE(Steven @ Aug 29 2007, 10:38 PM) But...   Aug 29 2007, 09:58 PM
superstitious   QUOTE(Steven @ Aug 29 2007, 09:38 PM) But...   Aug 29 2007, 10:44 PM
Steven   QUOTE(superstitious @ Aug 29 2007, 10:44 ...   Aug 29 2007, 11:01 PM
faydedprimadonna   QUOTE(Steven @ Aug 30 2007, 12:01 AM) I k...   Aug 29 2007, 11:09 PM
karmakiller   QUOTE(Steven @ Aug 29 2007, 11:01 PM) I k...   Aug 30 2007, 01:14 AM
Steven   Draft won't happen. America is becoming too p...   Aug 29 2007, 10:02 PM
faydedprimadonna   i wasn't trying to sound like an expert on the...   Aug 29 2007, 10:18 PM
Steven   Lololololol. You're media brainwashed. Actua...   Aug 29 2007, 10:31 PM
faydedprimadonna   QUOTE(Steven @ Aug 29 2007, 11:31 PM) Lol...   Aug 29 2007, 10:53 PM
JakeKKing   Alright, all I'm really getting is the same th...   Aug 30 2007, 01:25 PM
jammylise   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Aug 30 2007, 02:25 PM) ...   Aug 30 2007, 01:33 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(jammylise @ Aug 30 2007, 02:33 PM) ...   Aug 30 2007, 04:47 PM
The-Abominable-CPillar   ^go back to the navy you flag hugging repulican f...   Aug 30 2007, 11:03 PM
faydedprimadonna   wow... what's with the cock-fest there... ...   Aug 30 2007, 11:22 PM
The-Abominable-CPillar   ^Anyone who knows me knows I was just joking. I do...   Sep 1 2007, 08:15 AM
faydedprimadonna   QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Sep ...   Sep 1 2007, 09:10 AM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Sep ...   Sep 1 2007, 10:16 AM
Steven   Not to be a pain in the ass or something, but ther...   Sep 1 2007, 11:03 AM
karmakiller   Well if the people are the mission, like how you s...   Sep 1 2007, 02:26 PM
NoSex   Die for Oil Sucker. "We support our troops m...   Sep 1 2007, 06:58 PM
The-Abominable-CPillar   ^whatever the hell that means, its pretty gay. Af...   Sep 1 2007, 10:20 PM
Fist   americans are lazy. we bitch bitch bitch and we d...   Sep 2 2007, 04:52 AM
Shahin   I truly doubt that any of the servicemen or women ...   Sep 3 2007, 04:03 AM
Steven   QUOTE(Fist @ Sep 2 2007, 04:52 AM) americ...   Sep 3 2007, 08:07 AM
NoSex   f**k the troops and the mission. I don't know ...   Sep 4 2007, 06:31 PM
Steven   ^f**k you too then. The troops don't sign up ...   Sep 5 2007, 09:06 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(Steven @ Sep 5 2007, 09:06 AM) ^f**...   Sep 6 2007, 12:58 PM
The-Abominable-CPillar   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 6 2007, 01:58 PM) You...   Sep 6 2007, 07:11 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Sep ...   Sep 7 2007, 01:34 AM
Steven   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 7 2007, 01:34 AM) When ...   Sep 7 2007, 09:13 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 7 2007, 02:34 AM) When ...   Sep 7 2007, 09:41 AM
NoSex   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 7 2007, 09:41 AM) Om...   Sep 9 2007, 03:02 AM
Steven   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 9 2007, 03:02 AM) I...   Sep 9 2007, 09:41 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 9 2007, 04:02 AM) I...   Sep 9 2007, 07:51 PM
The-Abominable-CPillar   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 9 2007, 04:02 AM) I...   Sep 10 2007, 12:30 PM
faydedprimadonna   ok... i agree with the point that you can't su...   Sep 6 2007, 03:10 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(Steven @ Sep 9 2007, 09:41 AM) I...   Sep 10 2007, 01:51 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 10 2007, 02:51 AM) The ...   Sep 11 2007, 08:44 AM
Steven   Hey hey now. As much as one might want to bash, l...   Sep 11 2007, 01:31 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(Steven @ Sep 11 2007, 01:31 PM) Hey...   Sep 11 2007, 06:25 PM
JakeKKing   Alright, after looking at a bunch of your comments...   Sep 11 2007, 10:20 PM
lljay06   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Sep 11 2007, 11:20 PM) ...   Sep 11 2007, 10:34 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Sep 11 2007, 10:20 PM) ...   Sep 11 2007, 10:35 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 11 2007, 11:35 PM) The ...   Sep 11 2007, 10:42 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Sep 11 2007, 10:42 PM) ...   Sep 11 2007, 11:20 PM
lilsnoopy   The worse thing a citizen can do is bash their own...   Sep 11 2007, 11:21 PM
lilsnoopy   QUOTEMight as well invade every oppressed and or r...   Sep 11 2007, 11:24 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(lilsnoopy @ Sep 12 2007, 12:24 AM) ...   Sep 12 2007, 08:11 AM
Steven   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 12 2007, 08:11 AM) T...   Sep 12 2007, 09:04 AM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Sep 12 2007, 09:11 AM) T...   Sep 13 2007, 11:33 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(lilsnoopy @ Sep 11 2007, 11:24 PM) ...   Sep 14 2007, 02:01 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 14 2007, 03:01 AM) You...   Sep 14 2007, 08:29 AM
Shahin   QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 14 2007, 12:01 AM) You...   Sep 14 2007, 03:54 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(Shahin @ Sep 14 2007, 03:54 PM) Don...   Sep 15 2007, 11:57 AM
The-Abominable-CPillar   ^Douche QUOTE(NoSex @ Sep 14 2007, 03:01...   Sep 15 2007, 08:26 AM
The-Abominable-CPillar   True Jake, we don't get most of our oil from I...   Sep 12 2007, 09:28 AM
lljay06   Do you really think they are going to bring the tr...   Sep 12 2007, 02:11 PM
Steven   QUOTE(lljay06 @ Sep 12 2007, 02:11 PM) Do...   Sep 12 2007, 02:15 PM
lljay06   It's what is going around, like I said I have ...   Sep 12 2007, 05:34 PM
Steven   If I may ask, what branch of the military? What...   Sep 12 2007, 05:59 PM
lljay06   if you must know intel, e-4 and I guess if we all ...   Sep 12 2007, 06:56 PM
Steven   QUOTE(lljay06 @ Sep 12 2007, 06:56 PM) if...   Sep 13 2007, 08:02 PM
lilsnoopy   QUOTESure, we may have the best weapons, but what ...   Sep 12 2007, 07:32 PM
The-Abominable-CPillar   ^ Well, lets see. We have the best weapons, true. ...   Sep 13 2007, 08:06 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Sep ...   Sep 13 2007, 08:44 AM
Steven   Stop throwing around insults and bashing.   Sep 15 2007, 07:38 AM
Steven   The-Abominable-CPillar, this is your verbal warnin...   Sep 15 2007, 11:45 AM
The-Abominable-CPillar   QUOTE(Steven @ Sep 15 2007, 12:45 PM) The...   Sep 15 2007, 09:58 PM
Steven   QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Sep ...   Sep 16 2007, 04:25 PM
The-Abominable-CPillar   QUOTE(Steven @ Sep 16 2007, 05:25 PM) Thi...   Sep 16 2007, 04:42 PM
Michelle   QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Sep ...   Sep 16 2007, 05:08 PM
Steven   QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Sep ...   Sep 16 2007, 05:34 PM
lilsnoopy   QUOTEAny third world country who attacks America. ...   Sep 15 2007, 02:32 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(lilsnoopy @ Sep 15 2007, 02:32 PM) ...   Sep 16 2007, 04:11 PM
The-Abominable-CPillar   Crazy Michelle, in rebuttal to your statement, Jos...   Sep 16 2007, 06:21 PM
Michelle   QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Sep ...   Sep 16 2007, 07:47 PM
The-Abominable-CPillar   QUOTE(Michelle @ Sep 16 2007, 08:47 PM) O...   Sep 16 2007, 07:52 PM
Michelle   QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Sep ...   Sep 16 2007, 07:53 PM
The-Abominable-CPillar   Actually honey-tits, I had to learn nerd speak. Wh...   Sep 16 2007, 08:17 PM
lilsnoopy   QUOTEWhat would prevent terrorists from attacking ...   Sep 16 2007, 11:56 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(lilsnoopy @ Sep 16 2007, 11:56 PM) ...   Sep 17 2007, 11:21 AM
The-Abominable-CPillar   ^hahaha. Nosex, very accurate. The name I mean, no...   Sep 17 2007, 12:03 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Sep ...   Sep 17 2007, 05:47 PM
lilsnoopy   QUOTEYour point being? That is the point -_-...   Sep 17 2007, 06:01 PM
NoSex   QUOTE(lilsnoopy @ Sep 17 2007, 06:01 PM) ...   Sep 17 2007, 07:40 PM
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