jocker clusterf**k, damn. Options

[*tripvertigo*]

remember back in the day when we'd get a jocker once in a while, and everyone on cb would go to that person's xanga and just bash the shit out of them until they peed themselves and finally took the layout they jocked down? Or if they didnt take it down, we'd find a way to hack their account?

yeah those were the good days.

really made me feel loved. but i guess back then i was contributing a lot more to cb than I am now.


anyway, some of my best bashing insults came from those situations.


i remember this only really happened to really well known users on cb/xanga. i.e. me or roxanne, or rivendell...

the reason i bring this up now is because i google myself every couple of months to see what shows up, and this is what i found:

http://www.xanga.com/swt_pinkii/96939941/item.html


so f**king full of win.

[*ersatz*]

No one's stressed. But if we see it, we're gonna ask them to take it off. That takes at most two minutes. It's not like our lives are over if someone jocks our stuff, we'd just rather them not. And for some of us, it's not our job to steal peoples' stuff or even our job to make our own stuff. I don't get paid for this. And it's not about individuality, it's just...I made it, so I want the credit. If at your job, you do something really great, like reformat something and it's all better now, and someone else says they did it, that's not fair, is it? And you'd complain about it, because you deserve the credit for it.

I don't think it's immature to ask someone to not jock your stuff. It's immature to jock it in the first place.

[*Uronacid*]

No one's stressed. But if we see it, we're gonna ask them to take it off. That takes at most two minutes. It's not like our lives are over if someone jocks our stuff, we'd just rather them not. And for some of us, it's not our job to steal peoples' stuff or even our job to make our own stuff. I don't get paid for this. And it's not about individuality, it's just...I made it, so I want the credit. If at your job, you do something really great, like reformat something and it's all better now, and someone else says they did it, that's not fair, is it? And you'd complain about it, because you deserve the credit for it.

I don't think it's immature to ask someone to not jock your stuff. It's immature to jock it in the first place.

Look, if it was just someone asking nicely to give credit where credit was due. I would say that's fine, but these people are flaming the shit out of everyone for "Jocking". These people aren't getting paid, what credit are you getting? What is this recognition going to get you anyways? (example: Is it just so you can feel good about yourself?) Even if someone else is using it, you can still claim it as your own. If it leads to a job, you can still claim it as your own work. No-one has stolen your rights to your work. It's still your work.

• From one stand point you have the user who sees anything that's posted online without a copyright as "free for the taking" (which it is, from a legal aspect).

• From another stand point you have the angry designer who created what they have taken and wants some kind of recognition for the work that they did (you can't blame them) even if the user that has taken their work isn't claiming it as their own.

Both people are right in a way, but it's not the users problem. It's the designers problem for posting it on the web. If you placed it on the web, you're just going to have to grow up and understand that it's now free for the taking. You have to accept that even though it sucks. The sooner you accept that people will jock your shit without copyrights the sooner you will lead a happier lifestyle. It's not morally or legally wrong to take un-copyrighted images or code from someones layout.

P.S> The relationship between this, and someone stealing recognition at a job is to different. You would need to find another hypothetical situation. You can't cut, copy, and paste physical labor, but you can cut, copy, and paste coding and digital images. Although, it would piss me off if someone did that. Something like that could affect how someone looks upon me when I receive my salary at the end of the year... if someone in the same field was taking credit for the sweat of my brow then I may not receive that promotion I needed. This will effect my life. On the other hand taking images or layouts from a blog site does not have dramatic effects upon a persons life.

um i have a real job, and i manage just fine without taking other peoples work so that's just bullshit right there. the fact that you just think its ok to take shit off the internet because somehow the internet makes everything free to you is probably just a reflection of your skill level. dont just assume you're the only "grown up" on this board.

if i ever caught anyone on my staff taking creative content from other peoples sites, i would have them fired so f**king fast. i cant be held responsible for their mistakes if we get caught and sued for something like that. not only that, but it's also about self respect. if you cant figure out how to get your work done without stealing shit from other people, then find a work around or just admit that you cant get your job done.

i have no problem purchasing illustrations and photos from istockphoto or gettyimages though. at least you've paid royalties

Ouch, you're oh so wrong about me. Ha ha, I make many interesting graphics that I don't post on the web because I don't want people to take them. If you don't have copyrights to protect your stuff. You're in a bit of a pickle. You can't sue anyone if they have a need for your stuff and you don't have copyrights to protect it. You're just a scrap book. At that point, it's not stealing.

I'm not talking about taking images from people who clearly have copyrighted images. I'm talking about teens who throw everything they have on the web and get mad when people use it for their own thing. There is no legal repercussion for doing this. It's more of a "sucks to be you" situation for that teen who posted his/her images on the web.

Chill chill

P.S.> I'm sure your whole design staff would be thrilled when their 20 year old boss fired someone who used un-copyrighted pictures for something on the job. (I just don't believe you have attained such a position.)