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Affirmative Action, go away!
*Steven*
post Jul 31 2007, 10:35 AM
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Affirmative was created way back when to help blacks get back on their feet etc etc. Now it seems a lot of races use it as a crutch, assuming that because they're a minority that they'll get preferential treatment and that if they don't then it's racism. It was supposed to have just faded away as things became more and more equal, but lo and behold, it's still here.

Anyone think it should stay? What are your reasons?
 
 
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*Steven*
post Aug 4 2007, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE(Brilliance @ Aug 3 2007, 10:25 PM) *
I say rise to the occasion so you can actually get your voice heard, if you know things are biased just try harder, whining does nothing for you in the long run.
I had no problem getting into UT Austin...hell, i got into Rice but im doing engineering and i love UT's campus. With the top 10 percent thing they used to have it was pretty easy to get into a decent college in Texas, was it not?

Back to my original point, our minds do funny things when we see people, we automatically put people into catergories....some people hold on the the more loosely than others, but the media has taught us to prejudge people based on appearance and thats where the person's origin can really hinder his opportunities at success


They got rid of that rule. Also, going to an extremely competitive high school makes it a lot harder to get into the top 10%. I mean when your school is poppin out tons of 1600/2400 SAT's and has some of the top academic/debate teams, it makes it harder for you to stand out.

QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Aug 4 2007, 03:03 AM) *
I still don't get why it's still there. It's 2007, most things have changed for the better.
I honestly think that affirmative action is leading / will lead to discrimination against Whites in the U.S.


Haha yeah, reverse discrimination has become an issue. Ironic.
 
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post Aug 4 2007, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(Steven @ Aug 4 2007, 10:44 AM) *
They got rid of that rule. Also, going to an extremely competitive high school makes it a lot harder to get into the top 10%. I mean when your school is poppin out tons of 1600/2400 SAT's and has some of the top academic/debate teams, it makes it harder for you to stand out.

I mentioned that in my post already...note the past-tense verb usage

If its UT you're trying to get into a semi-decent SAT score along with maybe a 15% or so placing will probably get you in.

Plus if you think about it, going to a school like that is definitely a blessing, you are around many people that want to be greater academically. It isnt like you are wasting your time learning things just so you can get into the school of your choice....you could go to a really stupid school (i.e. most HISD schools) and prolly get into the top 3 not having done much to deserve it, or you could go to the school your in right now...maybe join those top academic teams and use your participation to pad your resume.

Motivation is really what it all comes down to. Many valedictorians that i know of had to settle for UT because they were turned down by their first school, and it usually came down to the lack of programs the school offered
 

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Steven   Affirmative Action   Jul 31 2007, 10:35 AM
BOOGERSHAHA   do you pay for your ancestors' sins? no. shoul...   Jul 31 2007, 10:37 AM
YoungKCeezy   QUOTE(BOOGERSHAHA @ Jul 31 2007, 11:37 AM...   Aug 4 2007, 11:57 AM
Sandraaa   I am completely against it. We're always talki...   Jul 31 2007, 11:17 AM
kimmytree   I'm against it. The color of someone's ski...   Jul 31 2007, 02:20 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(kimmytree @ Jul 31 2007, 02:20 PM) ...   Jul 31 2007, 02:37 PM
Steven   ^Haha I was waiting for you to reply to this one. ...   Jul 31 2007, 02:38 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Steven @ Jul 31 2007, 02:38 PM) ^Ha...   Jul 31 2007, 02:40 PM
Sandraaa   ^ Like I said, in those days. Now, it's just g...   Jul 31 2007, 02:38 PM
xKatt   Against. All men are created equal. I think that...   Jul 31 2007, 03:29 PM
Steven   Yeah but not all were treated equal. You can tell...   Jul 31 2007, 03:32 PM
Joss-eh-lime   QUOTE(Steven @ Jul 31 2007, 12:32 PM) Yea...   Aug 7 2007, 09:49 PM
xKatt   Well, they're supposed to be. In America, we p...   Jul 31 2007, 03:40 PM
Steven   I'm not saying I agree w/ affirmative action. ...   Jul 31 2007, 03:42 PM
xKatt   Yeah. But actually ... in research, blacks have ha...   Jul 31 2007, 03:43 PM
Steven   Those research things are highly biased or inaccur...   Jul 31 2007, 03:44 PM
xKatt   sdfadfasdfasdf   Jul 31 2007, 03:48 PM
Sandraaa   Wow Katt, please don't tell me that you actual...   Jul 31 2007, 03:49 PM
xKatt   Oh whoops, I just found out that they're talki...   Jul 31 2007, 03:51 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(xKatt @ Jul 31 2007, 04:51 PM) Oh w...   Oct 2 2007, 07:55 AM
Sandraaa   Moving on. We were talking about affirmative actio...   Jul 31 2007, 03:52 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Jul 31 2007, 03:52 PM) ...   Jul 31 2007, 04:09 PM
Joss-eh-lime   i was almost positive it was gone! well, whet...   Jul 31 2007, 04:29 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Joss-eh-lime @ Jul 31 2007, 0...   Jul 31 2007, 04:29 PM
kimmytree   ^ Probably because she's a minority?   Jul 31 2007, 06:10 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(kimmytree @ Jul 31 2007, 06:10 PM) ...   Jul 31 2007, 06:29 PM
kimmytree   ^ That's true, but she said that she "wan...   Jul 31 2007, 06:31 PM
Sandraaa   ^ You shouldn't assume for others whether you...   Aug 1 2007, 04:30 AM
Brilliance   Whether you want to face reality or not, many peop...   Aug 1 2007, 07:52 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(Brilliance @ Aug 1 2007, 07:52 PM) ...   Aug 1 2007, 08:06 PM
Sandraaa   So a minority who's well dressed, articulates ...   Aug 2 2007, 01:29 AM
Steven   There are always the minorities that makes fools o...   Aug 2 2007, 08:39 AM
BOOGERSHAHA   hm. so what about asians? they were/are discrimina...   Aug 2 2007, 09:07 AM
Rachel   QUOTE(BOOGERSHAHA @ Aug 2 2007, 07:07 AM)...   Aug 3 2007, 01:21 AM
BOOGERSHAHA   QUOTE(Rachel @ Aug 3 2007, 02:21 AM) if y...   Aug 3 2007, 09:35 AM
Steven   QUOTE(BOOGERSHAHA @ Aug 3 2007, 09:35 AM)...   Aug 3 2007, 09:42 AM
Steven   ^Uhhh... Asians have easier times getting into col...   Aug 2 2007, 10:08 AM
brooklyneast05   ^agreed i don't think asians getting into sch...   Aug 2 2007, 10:17 AM
BOOGERSHAHA   seriously? from what i've seen, it's easie...   Aug 2 2007, 07:11 PM
kimmytree   QUOTE(BOOGERSHAHA @ Aug 2 2007, 08:11 PM)...   Aug 2 2007, 09:40 PM
Sandraaa   ^ Well, the Jews are under the 'White' cat...   Aug 3 2007, 01:31 AM
Steven   QUOTE(Sandraaa @ Aug 3 2007, 01:31 AM) ^ ...   Aug 3 2007, 08:50 AM
BOOGERSHAHA   originally affirmative action was put in place to ...   Aug 3 2007, 09:45 AM
Steven   Ohhh, I see. I just say get rid of it all togethe...   Aug 3 2007, 09:55 AM
Brilliance   I say rise to the occasion so you can actually get...   Aug 3 2007, 10:25 PM
Sandraaa   I still don't get why it's still there. It...   Aug 4 2007, 03:03 AM
Steven   QUOTE(Brilliance @ Aug 3 2007, 10:25 PM) ...   Aug 4 2007, 10:44 AM
Brilliance   QUOTE(Steven @ Aug 4 2007, 10:44 AM) They...   Aug 4 2007, 11:11 AM
Steven   Which school did you go to? Also the school I wen...   Aug 4 2007, 11:16 AM
Brilliance   QUOTE(Steven @ Aug 4 2007, 11:16 AM) Whic...   Aug 4 2007, 01:24 PM
Steven   Oh don't worry about sounding elitist, I wasn...   Aug 4 2007, 01:33 PM
Spirited Away   About Asians and AA. Minda (comradered) did the ...   Aug 4 2007, 04:49 PM
kimmytree   ^ More than it is for whites?   Aug 4 2007, 08:15 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(kimmytree @ Aug 4 2007, 08:15 PM) ^...   Aug 5 2007, 09:29 PM
ersatz   QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Aug 5 2007, 09:29 P...   Aug 8 2007, 10:01 AM
resplendence   QUOTE(Spirited Away @ Aug 5 2007, 10:29 P...   Aug 8 2007, 01:46 PM
Brilliance   People believe that Affirmative Action isnt fair b...   Aug 5 2007, 06:12 PM
Steven   ^Provide examples please, I'm not understandin...   Aug 5 2007, 06:14 PM
OhSoDanny   I think it should stay since not everyone has the ...   Aug 5 2007, 06:14 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(OhSoDanny @ Aug 5 2007, 06:14 PM) I...   Aug 5 2007, 06:41 PM
SoEffinMajor   i'm torn on this subject simply because i didn...   Aug 7 2007, 11:28 PM
Sandraaa   QUOTEI think affirmative action should get tweaked...   Aug 9 2007, 07:10 AM
animalinside   Plus he played football very well, Harvard will ob...   Aug 9 2007, 10:26 AM
resplendence   ^I didn't say he didn't deserve it nor did...   Aug 9 2007, 05:35 PM
Sandraaa   QUOTE(resplendence @ Aug 10 2007, 12:35 A...   Aug 11 2007, 12:56 AM
animalinside   plenty of 2400's and 1st in class dont get int...   Aug 9 2007, 06:13 PM
BOOGERSHAHA   ugh i hate legacy! fin.   Aug 9 2007, 08:54 PM
resplendence   ^Because, everybody knows that even if someone has...   Aug 12 2007, 01:37 PM
innovation   QUOTEdo you pay for your ancestors' sins? no. ...   Aug 12 2007, 07:04 PM
Joss-eh-lime   I think the solution is to have something that aid...   Aug 14 2007, 11:49 PM
brooklyneast05   i agree with that more than just going by race, bu...   Aug 14 2007, 11:53 PM
Uronacid   Meh... affirmative action... it's lame, but on...   Aug 15 2007, 09:59 AM
animalinside   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Aug 15 2007, 09:59 AM) M...   Aug 16 2007, 06:11 PM
Joss-eh-lime   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Aug 15 2007, 06:59 AM) M...   Aug 16 2007, 07:19 PM
innovation   ^ What a meaningless, tactless, fallacy-ridden pos...   Aug 16 2007, 04:21 PM
Insurmountable   Wasn't he joking o_O at least from the looks o...   Aug 16 2007, 09:35 PM
Uronacid   QUOTEYou make me ashamed to be white... especially...   Aug 16 2007, 09:50 PM
Joss-eh-lime   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Aug 16 2007, 06:50 PM) W...   Aug 17 2007, 04:51 PM
The-Abominable-CPillar   ^I disagree. I think many people who have jobs rig...   Aug 16 2007, 11:40 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(The-Abominable-CPillar @ Aug ...   Aug 17 2007, 08:37 AM
manybrokenhearts   Me being an asian chick I think we should keep it....   Aug 21 2007, 10:45 AM
ersatz   QUOTE(manybrokenhearts @ Aug 21 2007, 10...   Aug 24 2007, 03:14 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(ersatz @ Aug 24 2007, 04:14 PM) The...   Aug 27 2007, 09:00 AM
Steven   If colleges were even being biased about that, the...   Aug 21 2007, 10:59 AM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Steven @ Aug 21 2007, 11:59 AM) If ...   Aug 21 2007, 12:27 PM
innovation   Even if he's joking, he's still implying t...   Aug 24 2007, 02:13 PM
faydedprimadonna   ok... i'm aware that my opinion is most likely...   Aug 28 2007, 08:53 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(faydedprimadonna @ Aug 28 2007, 09...   Aug 30 2007, 04:54 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(faydedprimadonna @ Aug 28 2007, 08...   Aug 30 2007, 05:11 PM
faydedprimadonna   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 30 2007, 06:11...   Aug 30 2007, 07:26 PM
brooklyneast05   QUOTE(faydedprimadonna @ Aug 30 2007, 07...   Aug 30 2007, 08:05 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(brooklyneast05 @ Aug 30 2007, 06:11...   Aug 31 2007, 02:22 PM
faydedprimadonna   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Aug 31 2007, 03:22 PM) y...   Aug 31 2007, 06:58 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(faydedprimadonna @ Aug 31 2007, 07...   Sep 7 2007, 09:47 AM
faydedprimadonna   i'm glad... i can't manage to be too serio...   Aug 30 2007, 09:38 PM
hotsoup   Racism and Discrimination are going to be around n...   Sep 2 2007, 01:01 PM
LoveDanceSoul   From what I know about Affirmative Action, it only...   Sep 6 2007, 04:38 PM
Steven   QUOTE(LoveDanceSoul @ Sep 6 2007, 04:38 P...   Sep 7 2007, 09:16 AM
LoveDanceSoul   QUOTE(Steven @ Sep 7 2007, 09:16 AM) You ...   Sep 7 2007, 01:16 PM
Sandraaa   GREAT DEBATE AT LAST! Just wanted to say that....   Oct 8 2007, 06:46 AM
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