Do people who commit suicide go to heaven?, For the Catholics and stuff, I guess. Options

[*The Markster*]

Forgive me if this is a pretty stupid question, but do people who commit suicide go to heaven? I see how it can be wrong to kill your own self, a creation of God, but doesn't God want us all to be happy? I think .. I wanna know what you guys think.

(Btw, how do I make this into a poll ..)

[xKatt]

^ In revised editions of the Bible, it's been changed to "You shall not murder".

But even if it said "Thou shalt not kill", God already gave Man permission to kill and eat animals.

Deuteronomy 14:5-14:6

"These are animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep. You may eat any animal that has a split hoof divided in two and that chews the cud."

And 14:21

"Do you not eat anything you find already dead."

So pretty much, it says right there that you have to kill the animals you eat.

Of course the Bible is full of contradictions like that, and we'll always null the one that's less convenient for us...

[Peanups]

^ In revised editions of the Bible, it's been changed to "You shall not murder".

But even if it said "Thou shalt not kill", God already gave Man permission to kill and eat animals.

Deuteronomy 14:5-14:6

"These are animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, the deer, the gazelle, the roe deer, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope and the mountain sheep. You may eat any animal that has a split hoof divided in two and that chews the cud."

And 14:21

"Do you not eat anything you find already dead."

So pretty much, it says right there that you have to kill the animals you eat.

Of course the Bible is full of contradictions like that, and we'll always null the one that's less convenient for us...

Uh you're taking the verses totally out of context.

Those were laws for the Jews and foreigners in Israel or whereever they might have been in the wilderness. Eating any animal not stated above ^ was making them "unclean" and "unholy" that they were not aloud to be in the presence of God until they went into purification ceremonies and waited the alotted time to become "cerimonially clean."

They weren't aloud to eat animals they already found dead because the person who found the animal wouldn't know how it died. If they didn't know how it died, they wouldn't know if they were cermonially clean.
-If an animal was killed by another animal it was unclean
-If it died a natural death it was unclean
&& so forth.

This was before Jesus came back and state to Peter

Acts 10:9-15

9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

Since Jesus came and had made us forever "cerimonially clean" we could eat whatever.

Here's some more info:

"THE ATHEIST'S COMPLAINT:
What kind of animals may we eat? Some texts say none at all (Genesis 1:29; Proverbs 23:20; Isaiah 7:14-15; Daniel 1:8; Romans 14:21; 1 Corinthians 8:13), other Bible texts say only certain animals (Deuteronomy 14:7-8; Leviticus 11:2-4), but some say we can eat any animals (Genesis 9:3; Acts 10:9-13; 1 Corinthians 10:25; Romans 14:2, 14; 1 Timothy 4:1-3). Is there a contradiction?

RESPONSE:
The answer to the questioner's inquiry depends upon what time you are living in. Prior to the flood (Genesis 1:29), men were given plantlife to eat, not meat. However, after the flood (Genesis 9:3), men were permitted to eat meats, with no restrictions given. Such was the case until the time of Moses, when the Lord gave His law for Israel. In this law, the eating of meats was still permitted, but restrictions were imposed (Deuteronomy 14:7-8; Leviticus 11:2-4). This would be the case until the time of Christ, when the new covenant given through Christ was given. Under this law, God again gave freedom for His people to eat any meat (Acts 10:9-13; 1 Corinthians 10:25; Romans 14:2, 14; 1 Timothy 4:1-3). We today are under this law, wherein we have the freedom to eat whatever meat we desire to. It is not contradictory for there to be different instructions for different time periods. One might question why it is so, but certainly, a contradiction is not present.

Of the verses listed above which have not yet been referred to, only a brief explanation should clear up any misapplications. Proverbs 23:20 does not speak against eating meat entirely, but those who are "gluttonous eaters of meat." Isaiah 7:14-15 says nothing against eating meat, but simply speaks of the Lord eating of curds and honey. Take a look in the gospels, you'll see the Lord eating meat. Daniel 1:8 does not speak against eating meat, but tells us that Daniel did not take of the king's delicacies. Is it not possible that Daniel's vegetable diet was because the king ate the types of meat which the Jews were not permitted to eat? Paul's statements in Romans 14:21 and 1 Corinthians 8:13 are not outright exclusions of meat eating, but conditional statements. If my eating meat will violate the conscience of a fellow Christian, then I ought not do so. In context, Paul speaks of meats offered to idols and the difficulty some Jews had with leaving the restrictions of Moses' law behind.

There is no contradiction."

I guess this is off subject so i'll go back to the suicide thing.

Okay, well if I may go more indepth with what I meant was that I guess maybe the term "suicide" should be defined because there are people who will give birth to their children even though they may die, they are going into the situation know full well that they have a good chance to die, so is this suicide?

I'd say it's the motive of the heart.