god, part 2 Options

[*CEP*]

So yeah...the debate continues.. have fun.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[Spirited Away]

Fae, ive been reading through the last few posts of our debate the last couple of nights, i mean it was kind of fun.. was it not? I looked forward to what you had to say about the points I had made, as I'm sure you did as well. I just wanted to point out that I, in absolutely no way, meant any harm in our conversations, as I know at some points I was rather rude. You seem like an awesome person, and I've never met anyone so strong-willed and determined to let their opinion stand. I dont really know why I'm writing this to you, except to say that I'm sorry that I came across as I did, .. prideful? as you said? I dont really know, but I just wanted to try and clear it up. alright well for once in my life, I've run out of things to say.

Strong-willed and my kind of keen determination has gotten me into a lot of trouble. But I was just as rude as you thought you were, though, I usually say that being rude is okay and is expected in a debate. And I'm just as guilty of being prideful as you are.

I am a lot different than a lot of Christians you will meet today, I mean, at least I hope so. .

In an earlier arguement with Princess, I have said that I believed the Church and the Bible to be middlemen. As in, they stand in the way of building a relationship with God, if He exists. The Church is a definate middleman, but I know that you disagree with the Bible being as such. To me, because Man wrote the Bible, there's a chance that they were as corrupted as the Clergy could. How can anyone be certain that the Bible contains words of God, when it was Man who created it?

I believe with everything inside of me that there is a God, and thats where  I jacked all of this up.

My Christian friend says the same thing. Hehe, she strongly believes in God, but she rarely goes to Church even though her parents forces her to go. In her own words, she says the Churches she has been to all turned gradually into a business, a market of people who want to buy their way to Heaven. They wave the Bible as a tool and speak like an auctioneer would...

Those sorts of things are really what instill doubt wariness in people like me, who has nothing against God, but more like we come to dislike what He stands for because of these people who wants to sell religion.

"Well, It's sunday, I've prayed and given my tithe.. I'm good to go for the next week.." It just aggrivates me, I'm sure you can tell.

Believe me when I say that it aggravates me as well to hear people say that all I need to do is ask God for forgiveness for my sins. When they say that, it makes me think they act so high and mighty when in reality, they sin as much as I and perhaps even more so.

People see God as a church building and a bible. When He is so much more. A lot of people dont realize that church is for guidance.. for learning more about Christ..

I will try not to generalize all Churches, but from what I hear from my friends and from what I've seen for myself, some Churches offer guidance for a price. God has been turned into a symbol of such because there are men of Christ who intended things to be that way. Not all pastors have your best interest in learning about God in mind.

patronizing you, as an Un-believer. I dont think I did, but .. I very well could have.

Oh, I didn't realized that I was being patronized, except for that one part about non-Christians being selfish, heartless, and ruthless part. And in truth, I was too frustrated by the different answers I was given by different people, not knowing which was the one that actually has some truth to it. Perhaps all of them were truths, perhaps they were all made up, I don't know.

That's the hardest part of being a non-believer: you don't know what the truth is because everyone claims to be 'right', so many of us make up our own truths in hope that we are right as well.

It's not that we do not fear the possibility of Hell, because I assure you that if Hell exists, we would be petrified.

However, to be sent to Hell because of this confusion created by fellow Man, is not at all fair. That is why I am constant in arguing that if there is a God, He would be fair and kind and wouldn't blame us agnostics or atheists for our doubt.

But since everyone has been saying that God will forsaken non-believers, I will not fight it. If that is our fate, no matter how unfair, let it be.

I do not speak for other agnostics or atheists, but I understand their disbelief for what it is and what strives them to think that way.