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god, part 2
*CEP*
post Jun 11 2004, 11:55 PM
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post Jun 13 2004, 11:06 PM
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How have you suffered persecution for your beliefs? You persecute EACH OTHER and persecute people of other faiths. You divide amongst yourself to different denominations, each claiming to be the 'right' one.

Muslims, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, WE ARE the ones who are labled as HEATHENS and BARBARIANS. We're "LOST" "REBELS" in your eyes. We sit near a puddle of mud while you are swimming in the ocean. WE're the ones who are being persecuted for our free will. You all just get off easy being forgiven and all and getting to go to Heaven while we have to be BURNED for eternity in HELL. Remember the Salem Wictch trials? Women were burned because a few 'good' Christians believe that they were working for the Devil... ooooh.
I don't see how YOU could come to the conclusion that Christians suffer more. That makes me wanna laugh


Fae, once again, you are generalizing, do you mean 'you' as christians or 'you' as in me? because personally, i dont believe that what those 'Christians' did was right, but why should I, personally be held accountable for their actions? And you say that you have to be burned fo enternity in hell.. hmm.. you dont have to be, im sure you realize that by now. You have no idea what christians.. yes i am generalizing now, go through day from day for their beliefs. You dont have any idea what its like to walk through the hallway everday knowing that your every move is being scrutinized.


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If He has made it "plain" then there would be no such thing as a non-believer. It is because God had made things TOO complicated and too DOUBTFUL that people like me exists.
False. If everything has been clearly seen and clearly understood, then we would not be having this debate about His existence. Because things are UNCLEAR and nothing of such miracles has been truly seen that there are non-believers.
False, there are those who are raised without ever knowing God. Children in poorer countries who lived only knowing how to find food and water, children who grew into men and only know of their own gods DO NOT know of YOUR God at all.
People like me know about God, but we do not 'know' Him. Do not assume that we do because we've never met Him, we've never felt Him...etc.Fools we may be, we are only mortals after all. To say that Christians are not foolish is to say that Christians are smarter than non-believers, and that's PRIDE. Isn't that a SIN? It's kind of 'foolish' to say that with so much pride. "The truth of God" is an opinion. There is no truth in religion. Your truth might not correspond with a Jew or Muslim's truth. It's only that I am neither Jew nor Muslim that I cannot argue with you... I think I will do a poor job in their behalf, so I can only defend them as best I could. I should be offended by these claims, but I'm not, I'm only quite amused.


God has made it plain, in everything, God is all around us, you just have to elvaluate your perspective. If you dont want to think He's here, then of course you're not going to see Him. As for the people in other countries, God wasnt speaking of that at all, because there are going to be people who can honestly stand before God and say that they didnt know. In that scripture that you were quoting the entire time, It was Paul speaking throughout the entire scripture about people that hear the word of God yet ignore it.

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Okay, this is where things gets heated. So you're saying that you're a better Christian? I doubt that. People in the past were very devoted to the faith, so much, that they were wiling to die for it. Just because YOU serve God in a different way than them DOES NOT mean that they were not true followers of Christ. You're too prideful for your own good.The knights of the Crusades fought against what they Church claims were 'heathens'. THE CHURCH declared that heathens must be killed! They were only following orders!!! How could you say that they are nothing like you? They would do anything for God. Man that is soooo wrong of you to say that. 


I did not say that I am a better christian. I simply said that for that CHURCH to commit such sin, and then to right it by saying that they would be forgiven, they were corrupt. The church is much different than being just a believer. I go to church, as a believer, to learn more about Christ. But in the Bible it says that the churches have grown corrupt and greedy. Do not assume that because there is a church that claims to be Christian, I am a part of it. MANY MANY MANY people today call themselves Christians, it isnt fair to assume that because they give themselves the title, and expect to be recognized as one, that we act, or believe in the same things.

I do, however, owe you an apology. I shouldnt have debated anything with you, I knew you would take these things with a hardened heart and not recieve the true love in the scriptures and whatnot. I made it a point to show you that your ways were "wrong" which in turn, was wrong of me. I know that no matter what so called facts I give you, that you will combat everything I say with some sarcastic remark. It was wrong of me to go on with this.
 

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CEP   god   Jun 11 2004, 11:55 PM
abberdabber   this goes out to FAE.. so here ya go. **Is God al...   Jun 11 2004, 11:58 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 11:58 PM)thi...   Jun 12 2004, 12:09 AM
iheartsimba   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 11:58 PM)thi...   Jun 12 2004, 12:19 AM
abberdabber   LoL .. Well you guys obviously didnt read back to ...   Jun 12 2004, 12:22 AM
CEP   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 10:22 PM)LoL...   Jun 12 2004, 01:30 AM
abberdabber   * this will be the last entry submitted * fae wa...   Jun 12 2004, 01:52 AM
synkro   just wondering.. have any of you ever read the boo...   Jun 12 2004, 08:05 AM
princess2113   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 12 2004, 8:05 AM)just wond...   Jun 12 2004, 09:00 AM
synkro   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 12 2004, 9:00 AM)not...   Jun 12 2004, 09:17 AM
princess2113   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 12 2004, 9:17 AM)what...   Jun 12 2004, 10:28 AM
CEP   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 12 2004, 6:05 AM)just wond...   Jun 12 2004, 10:40 AM
IIO__oII   u guys should read MERE CHRISTIANITY.. =] PS...ch...   Jun 12 2004, 11:53 AM
GinaDaQueen   I haven't really read the other topic but from...   Jun 12 2004, 02:21 PM
easilyxamusedx   nicely said.   Jun 12 2004, 02:29 PM
DisneyPrincessKate   I honestly don't see how you can't believe...   Jun 12 2004, 02:31 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(GinaDaQueen @ Jun 12 2004, 2:21 PM)I ha...   Jun 12 2004, 03:17 PM
synkro   it wasn't a question whether the book was true...   Jun 12 2004, 06:27 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 11:58 PM)gos...   Jun 12 2004, 07:16 PM
machinoman   I just saw Saved! and it was great. "Jes...   Jun 13 2004, 02:56 AM
abberdabber   [QUOTE=uninspiredfae,Jun 12 2004, 7:16 PM] Just ...   Jun 13 2004, 03:47 AM
Spirited Away   So things that you speak from the heart comes fro...   Jun 13 2004, 10:15 AM
princess2113   alrite u want us to give u OUR knowledge, but we ...   Jun 13 2004, 10:35 AM
sadolakced acid   i have a question for all you christians out there...   Jun 13 2004, 02:14 PM
abberdabber   alright i jacked it up again, i answered at two di...   Jun 13 2004, 03:13 PM
abberdabber   .QUOTEYou mean God will right the wrongs done to C...   Jun 13 2004, 04:13 PM
IIO__oII   YAY fresh and new! no more scrolling thru 50+ ...   Jun 13 2004, 04:39 PM
abberdabber   yea i know, its a whole lot better than before...   Jun 13 2004, 05:23 PM
princess2113   wait to answer that other persons ??....Creation d...   Jun 13 2004, 08:40 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 13 2004, 10:35 AM)al...   Jun 13 2004, 09:05 PM
Spirited Away   First of all, sorry for double posting. That...   Jun 13 2004, 09:47 PM
princess2113   second-hand knowledge???? u trust ur history book...   Jun 13 2004, 10:01 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 13 2004, 10:01 PM)u ...   Jun 13 2004, 10:06 PM
abberdabber   Fae, are you sure thats the reason you continue to...   Jun 13 2004, 10:06 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 13 2004, 10:06 PM)Fae...   Jun 13 2004, 10:14 PM
DisneyPrincessKate   You guys are so nit-picky and technical. The impo...   Jun 13 2004, 10:42 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(DisneyPrincessKate @ Jun 13 2004, 10:42...   Jun 13 2004, 10:49 PM
princess2113   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 13 2004, 10:06 PM)W...   Jun 13 2004, 10:59 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 13 2004, 10:59 PM)...   Jun 13 2004, 11:05 PM
abberdabber   QUOTEHow have you suffered persecution for your be...   Jun 13 2004, 11:06 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 13 2004, 11:06 PM)Fae...   Jun 13 2004, 11:19 PM
sadolakced acid   sure, christians shouldn't be persecuted for w...   Jun 13 2004, 11:46 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 13 2004, 11:46 PM...   Jun 14 2004, 12:02 AM
abberdabber   Fae, ive been reading through the last few posts o...   Jun 14 2004, 02:25 AM
synkro   i find it interesting that when we say "god...   Jun 14 2004, 04:54 AM
DisneyPrincessKate   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 13 2004, 11:49 PM)W...   Jun 14 2004, 09:43 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 14 2004, 2:25 AM)Fae,...   Jun 14 2004, 10:25 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 14 2004, 4:54 AM)i find it...   Jun 14 2004, 10:34 AM
synkro   QUOTEBut since everyone has been saying that God w...   Jun 14 2004, 10:42 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 14 2004, 10:42 AM)you may ...   Jun 14 2004, 10:54 AM
synkro   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 14 2004, 10:54 AM)I...   Jun 14 2004, 10:58 AM
IIO__oII   QUOTEWhy believe in something I cannot see, when I...   Jun 14 2004, 04:37 PM
ryfitaDF   i'm cool with anyone, believer or not.   Jun 14 2004, 05:54 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 13 2004, 11:05 PM)G...   Jun 14 2004, 07:20 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 14 2004, 10:25 AM)H...   Jun 14 2004, 07:34 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEI know many don't like quotings of the Bi...   Jun 14 2004, 08:59 PM
ryfitaDF   what about all the revisions of the bible? you may...   Jun 14 2004, 09:18 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 14 2004, 9:18 PM)what ab...   Jun 15 2004, 06:40 AM
Retrogressive   i used to be a very strong christian, i even had a...   Jun 16 2004, 04:40 PM
Yemmerz   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 14 2004, 10:18 PM)what a...   Jun 16 2004, 04:46 PM
JlIaTMK   im christian and i personally dont believe so much...   Jun 16 2004, 08:55 PM
shawty_redd   QUOTE(Yemmerz @ Jun 16 2004, 3:46 PM)It does,...   Jun 16 2004, 10:47 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(shawty_redd @ Jun 16 2004, 10:47 PM)so ...   Jun 17 2004, 02:01 AM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 17 2004, 2:01 AM)yes. i ...   Jun 17 2004, 09:14 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jun 17 2004, 9:14 AM...   Jun 17 2004, 09:39 AM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 17 2004, 9:39 AM)I ...   Jun 17 2004, 10:46 AM
Spirited Away   Here you go (<--about midrash).   Jun 17 2004, 10:51 AM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 17 2004, 10:51 AM)H...   Jun 17 2004, 10:56 AM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(loseronaisle5 @ Jun 16 2004, 4:40 PM)bu...   Jun 17 2004, 02:12 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEf i believed in god i wouldn't think he h...   Jun 17 2004, 03:38 PM
onenonly101   QUOTEi don't want to believe in a god who does...   Jun 18 2004, 03:59 PM
Gypsy Eyes   Personally, I dont believe in god. I honestly thin...   Jun 18 2004, 05:56 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ Jun 18 2004, 5:56 PM)Perso...   Jun 19 2004, 12:31 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ Jun 18 2004, 5:56 PM)Perso...   Jun 19 2004, 07:43 AM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE-Evolution is as much as a theory as the stor...   Jun 19 2004, 11:05 AM
onenonly101   QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ Jun 18 2004, 5:56 PM)Perso...   Jun 19 2004, 11:49 AM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 19 2004, 11:49 AM)The...   Jun 19 2004, 12:56 PM
onenonly101   but didn't you say you believe in your self? t...   Jun 19 2004, 04:04 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 19 2004, 11:49 AM)Fir...   Jun 19 2004, 04:20 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 19 2004, 12:56 PM)then w...   Jun 19 2004, 09:30 PM
Lena   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 19 2004, 4:04 PM)but ...   Jun 19 2004, 10:06 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(Lena @ Jun 19 2004, 10:06 PM)CrimsonArc...   Jun 19 2004, 11:01 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEThen I ask you...who created the so called cr...   Jun 20 2004, 01:36 AM
Gypsy Eyes   QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jun 19 2004, 9:30 PM...   Jun 20 2004, 01:49 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ Jun 20 2004, 1:49 PM)Lamb ...   Jun 20 2004, 03:28 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jun 20 2004, 3:28 PM...   Jun 20 2004, 03:53 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 20 2004, 3:53 PM)why not...   Jun 20 2004, 04:00 PM
onenonly101   QUOTEI've never heard of the Ten Commandments ...   Jun 21 2004, 11:47 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 21 2004, 11:47 AM)You...   Jun 21 2004, 12:06 PM
onenonly101   QUOTESo you're saying that before the Ten Comm...   Jun 21 2004, 12:35 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 21 2004, 12:35 PM)I d...   Jun 21 2004, 12:44 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEIf trusting God makes my life easier were tru...   Jun 21 2004, 03:55 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(IIO__oII @ Jun 21 2004, 3:55 PM)maybe i...   Jun 21 2004, 04:35 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEi don't get you. first you say that Chri...   Jun 21 2004, 05:42 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(IIO__oII @ Jun 21 2004, 5:42 PM)err.. w...   Jun 21 2004, 05:47 PM
ComradeRed   How will you spend eternity? Smoking or non-smokin...   Jun 21 2004, 08:15 PM
ryfitaDF   raise your fist in the air. DRUG FREE!   Jun 22 2004, 01:01 AM
stryker76   Yeah i have to agree the christains do suffer more...   Jun 22 2004, 06:10 AM
onenonly101   i don't know if this is what princess and iio_...   Jun 22 2004, 10:13 AM
Beyond Elite   oh my. People are crazy about this topic huh?   Jun 22 2004, 10:44 AM
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