god, part 2 Options

[*CEP*]

So yeah...the debate continues.. have fun.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[Spirited Away]

First of all, sorry for double posting.

[quote]
Mark 10:18
"... 'Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good- except for God alone'..." [/quote]

That's another opinion, but one I could agree with, to a certain level.

[quote]No matter how good you think you are being.. once again, everyone sins. Things that will tempt us into sin will come. God's children are the ones that suffered a life of persecution for their beliefs.. the people that gave their lives up to serve His name. [/quote]

Well, I never once said that I'm completely virtuous have I? I remember writing that I tend to go off course sometimes too, because it's human nature to do so.

How have you suffered persecution for your beliefs? You persecute EACH OTHER and persecute people of other faiths. You divide amongst yourself to different denominations, each claiming to be the 'right' one.

Muslims, Jews, Atheists, Agnostics, WE ARE the ones who are labled as HEATHENS and BARBARIANS. We're "LOST" "REBELS" in your eyes. We sit near a puddle of mud while you are swimming in the ocean. WE're the ones who are being persecuted for our free will. You all just get off easy being forgiven and all and getting to go to Heaven while we have to be BURNED for eternity in HELL.

Remember the Salem Wictch trials? Women were burned because a few 'good' Christians believe that they were working for the Devil... ooooh.

I don't see how YOU could come to the conclusion that Christians suffer more. That makes me wanna laugh.

[quote]
No, all sins are equal in the aspect of forgiveness. They arent however considered equally as evil. In the Bible, as they speak of different sins, it is obvious that God is outraged more by some than by others, as in the scripture I gave you yesterday, about the six things the Lord hates, but the seven he finds detestable. He doesnt see all equally. [/quote]

Uh, what I meant is that no matter what the sin is, and no matter how much God destest one over the other, a sin is STILL a sin. God will not forgive sinners who are non-Christian, and that's discrimination. Of course God might not see it that way because His rules are the 'ultimate' ones.

[quote]18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. [/quote]

If He has made it "plain" then there would be no such thing as a non-believer. It is because God had made things TOO complicated and too DOUBTFUL that people like me exists.

[quote]
20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. [/quote]
False. If everything has been clearly seen and clearly understood, then we would not be having this debate about His existence. Because things are UNCLEAR and nothing of such miracles has been truly seen that there are non-believers.

[quote]21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. [/quote]

False, there are those who are raised without ever knowing God. Children in poorer countries who lived only knowing how to find food and water, children who grew into men and only know of their own gods DO NOT know of YOUR God at all.

People like me know about God, but we do not 'know' Him. Do not assume that we do because we've never met Him, we've never felt Him...etc.

[quote] 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. [/quote]

Fools we may be, we are only mortals after all. To say that Christians are not foolish is to say that Christians are smarter than non-believers, and that's PRIDE. Isn't that a SIN? It's kind of 'foolish' to say that with so much pride.

[quote]24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. [/quote]

"The truth of God" is an opinion. There is no truth in religion. Your truth might not correspond with a Jew or Muslim's truth. It's only that I am neither Jew nor Muslim that I cannot argue with you... I think I will do a poor job in their behalf, so I can only defend them as best I could.


[quote] 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. [/quote]

I should be offended by these claims, but I'm not, I'm only quite amused.

[Sarcasm]Here me my Non-believer friends! Since we're all going to Hell anyway, lets live life to the fullest, and BE wicked, evil, greedy and envious! Let us murder and commit malice to those near us. Lets gossip and slander Christians for they are flying to Heaven while we burn in Hell.

Let us be insolent, senseless, faithless for we are condemed for doing them anyway even if we do not.

For you see, even if we do not, God will turn a blind eye to our good deeds.

When we do good, He will not see. When we do bad He will count it against us. [Sarcasm]

[quote]Once again, No, you will not be condemned for 'not obeying' but for venturing off, and taking your life into your own hands, thinking that you are more capable than our creator. [/quote]

Disobeying and venturing off are the SAME thing. I disobey when I venture off and when I venture off, I disobey. Where do you see a difference?

I've been more capable of taking care of myself and my family since I was 10.

[quote]First of all, dont generalize. I, in no way, am like any of those people. Just because I am a follower of Christ, and they claimed to be followers of Christ, doesnt mean that we are alike in our beliefs. [/quote]

Okay, this is where things gets heated. So you're saying that you're a better Christian? I doubt that. People in the past were very devoted to the faith, so much, that they were wiling to die for it. Just because YOU serve God in a different way than them DOES NOT mean that they were not true followers of Christ. You're too prideful for your own good.

The knights of the Crusades fought against what they Church claims were 'heathens'. THE CHURCH declared that heathens must be killed! They were only following orders!!! How could you say that they are nothing like you? They would do anything for God. Man that is soooo wrong of you to say that.

I REFUSE TO CONTINUE this with you. It's obvious that you think that YOU ARE the ONLY true follower of God and everyone else who has done differently was wrong... that's just wrong... And they are people of your own faith...

Anyway, I'm not even going to bother answering the rest because I've been to greatly offended by you for people who have lost their lives in the name of God.