Illegal Immigration, is there anyone pro-amnesty? Options

[*steve330*]

With the recent Kennedy-Bush alliance (polar opposites at that) for the naturalization of illegal immigrants, a lot of people have come out strongly opposed to the idea and are quite unhappy that bush just brought it back up after the idea was killed.

Is there anyone out there that thinks it should be something that happens? If yes, please explain as I'm curious to see if there is another side (other than the politicians) to this issue and I want to know what makes you see it that way or where your opinions are derived from.

Keeping in mind taxes, social security (haha as if that's going to last), unemployment, and them taking advantage of what's free in the nation (i.e. medicine/education) without putting back into the system.

[lojay]

To be completely honest, I don't care if immigration is legal or illegal. Either way, people are still going to immigrate, and that's a good thing. If it were not for all the illegal citizens and immigrants, then who would do all the dirty jobs that no one wants to do?

I mean there are a lot of stereotypes about different cultures doing different work. I'm not racist at all, and don't take this as racism, but stereotypically, there are the Arabs who work at the 7-11s. There are the Mexicans who cut the lawns and do all the landscaping. There are Punjabis who drive taxicabs. Society has placed these races to fit with these jobs, or at least that is the mindset of people who live in my area. Granted, not all Mexicans, Punjabis, Arabs, etc. are immigrants, many aren’t. I know this post will make at least someone mad, but it is a debate, and I’m entitled to my own opinion, and my opinion is that if these immigrants were not here then who would do these jobs? How many so-called average looking Americans (based on society’s views) do you see driving taxicabs? How many people are going to be truly dedicated to landscaping? I have family that has other family who are not legal citizens, and they are Slovaks who come from Czech. They do landscaping and work really hard because they need the money to send it back home to support the rest of their family.

I think that if immigrants are willing to work hard just to help out their families back home, then they should be allowed to. After all, no one else really wants to do their jobs, because the pay is low and it is hard work.

As for healthcare, education, social security, etc... I believe that as long as they are in America they should be able to abide by Human Rights. According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 2,

Everyone is entitles to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth, or other status.

[Article cut short due to lengthiness. They are in America... They have the right to their freedoms simply by being a human being, as stated above, their race, colour, etc. doesn't change anything -- they still have their freedoms.

Article 13;

1. Everyone has the right of movement and residence within the borders of each State. 2. Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

So if it is stated clearly in the Declaration of Human Rights that anyone is able to leave their country, then I don’t really see the problem, as long as they do not harm the country they enter.

For Education…

Article 26, number 1. Everyone has the right to education.

Etc., again cut short due to lengthiness. They are allowed to be educated. If they can support that education, then there is no harm in putting them in our schools as long as they can follow.

This post is way too long. Blah. My apologies.

Err, edit; After re-reading the posts before me... I would have to agree with 1angel3 that they should pay taxes. I guess if I believe they should be able to obtain Human Rights, they should be equal to the American citizen in paying taxes as well.

[kimmytree]

To be completely honest, I don't care if immigration is legal or illegal. Either way, people are still going to immigrate, and that's a good thing. If it were not for all the illegal citizens and immigrants, then who would do all the dirty jobs that no one wants to do?

I mean there are a lot of stereotypes about different cultures doing different work. I'm not racist at all, and don't take this as racism, but stereotypically, there are the Arabs who work at the 7-11s. There are the Mexicans who cut the lawns and do all the landscaping. There are Punjabis who drive taxicabs. Society has placed these races to fit with these jobs, or at least that is the mindset of people who live in my area. Granted, not all Mexicans, Punjabis, Arabs, etc. are immigrants, many aren't. I know this post will make at least someone mad, but it is a debate, and I'm entitled to my own opinion, and my opinion is that if these immigrants were not here then who would do these jobs? How many so-called average looking Americans (based on society's views) do you see driving taxicabs? How many people are going to be truly dedicated to landscaping? I have family that has other family who are not legal citizens, and they are Slovaks who come from Czech. They do landscaping and work really hard because they need the money to send it back home to support the rest of their family.

I think that if immigrants are willing to work hard just to help out their families back home, then they should be allowed to. After all, no one else really wants to do their jobs, because the pay is low and it is hard work.

As for healthcare, education, social security, etc... I believe that as long as they are in America they should be able to abide by Human Rights. According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 2, [Article cut short due to lengthiness. They are in America... They have the right to their freedoms simply by being a human being, as stated above, their race, colour, etc. doesn't change anything -- they still have their freedoms.

Article 13; So if it is stated clearly in the Declaration of Human Rights that anyone is able to leave their country, then I don't really see the problem, as long as they do not harm the country they enter.

For Education… Etc., again cut short due to lengthiness. They are allowed to be educated. If they can support that education, then there is no harm in putting them in our schools as long as they can follow.

This post is way too long. Blah. My apologies.

Err, edit; After re-reading the posts before me... I would have to agree with 1angel3 that they should pay taxes. I guess if I believe they should be able to obtain Human Rights, they should be equal to the American citizen in paying taxes as well.

Most of the "Arabs" you're referring to dont work in the 7-11's - alot of them OWN them, and other gas stations. Not just Arabs, but Middle Easterners in General. They get all kinds of tax breaks. Either way though, they're usually LEGAL.

That's what's killing us though - they're getting all kinds of hand outs and benefits... and just sending it all back home. They dont even have to pay income taxes, which is alot of money. The pay is low because businesses know they can pay them low wages. They dont have to give them medical insurance, or have to worry about workers comp. Everything's under the table - they dont even get actual "pay checks"... at least around here. They're usually just paid in cash. Besides picking produce, there are still some Americans left who do the same jobs they do. Roofing, landscaping, construction. They just alot of times end up getting fired or cant get the job to begin with, because they can pay a illegal Mexican half of what they would have to pay them. Dont even start to think that equals lower prices for the customer, because it doesnt. That's just more profits for the actual employer.

The Declaration of Human rights is referring to CITIZENS, right? How would they apply to someone who ILLEGALY entered our country?