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QUOTE You mean God will right the wrongs done to Christians. He will still forsake GOOD non-believers because of who they are and who they chose to be. Mark 10:18 "... 'Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good- except for God alone'..." No matter how good you think you are being.. once again, everyone sins. Things that will tempt us into sin will come. God's children are the ones that suffered a life of persecution for their beliefs.. the people that gave their lives up to serve His name. Luke 9:24 ".. 'If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it'.." And no, it doesnt mean die.. as in keel over dead. I'm sure you realize He is speaking of giving up all things in our life that mean anything to us so that we can serve the Lord. QUOTE I see, so children, no matter how virtuous or corrupted will still be considered as innocents? While good adults, still 'children' in God's eyes (His children), will suffer the full blown punishments. In that, I see that God discriminates people in different age groups. No, all sins are equal in the aspect of forgiveness. They arent however considered equally as evil. In the Bible, as they speak of different sins, it is obvious that God is outraged more by some than by others, as in the scripture I gave you yesterday, about the six things the Lord hates, but the seven he finds detestable. He doesnt see all equally. Leviticus 18 22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. Romans 1 God's Wrath Against Mankind 18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. 24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. QUOTE I still don't understand. He gave us free will to love Him? Can you not hear the hypocrisy in it? If He expects us to love him in the first place, then why give us free will? You have free will to love or not to love Him, but if you choose the latter, you will suffer for eternity. Those are not very good choices to choose from: I would have to force myself to love Him or else I would be condemed. Once again, No, you will not be condemned for 'not obeying' but for venturing off, and taking your life into your own hands, thinking that you are more capable than our creator. QUOTE There are different levels of sins, however, God will make all sins tantamount to each other. I do not think that's fair. Even in the court system, there are different levels of punishment for different crimes, depending on how severe. We mortals perceive the different levels of punishments, and yet God will see all sins as sins. How did you come to that conclusion? As I explained above, When it comes to sinning, God sees the sin for what it is. He doesnt however, extend the activities or whatever you want to call it, that we have to do to repent. QUOTE The slaughtering of 'heathens' were justified by Christians' belief in God's forgiveness. They killed in His name. I suppose that's due to 'evils', but you see, they were Christians, much like yourself. First of all, dont generalize. I, in no way, am like any of those people. Just because I am a follower of Christ, and they claimed to be followers of Christ, doesnt mean that we are alike in our beliefs. QUOTE It's so easy for people to kill someone and then be forgiven by God. Remember the Crusades? The slaughtering of 'heathens' were justified by Christians' belief in God's forgiveness. They killed in His name. I suppose that's due to 'evils', but you see, they were Christians, much like yourself. Of course, God will forgive you because you believe in Him. I understand. God can see what's in your heart. He knows the circumstances in which you committed the sin. If you are thinking, as you kill someone, "hmm, this is alright because as soon as I get done with this, I can ask for forgivness.. " He's not going to let it slide like that. And secondly, Just because you've been forgiven, doesnt mean that you dont have to bare the consequences of your actions. If a woman has premarital sex, gets pregnant, then repents.. and God forgives her, it doesnt mean that she still isnt going to carry that consequence with her for the rest of her life. God forgiving you isnt a "get out of jail free pass" its a "Get into Heaven by the blood of Christ pass" there's a difference. QUOTE That's true, I was taught to be good. However, being bad can bring satisfaction just as well. I can be good to my family and friends and then cheat strangers, and I will still have the love that I need and gain profits at the same time. But even I know that doing so will destroy my conscience. I don't think of God when I do things to benefit other people, I to have a peaceful life. It's a selfish thing to do, and probably is a sin, but this sin will benefit other people. Luke 6:46-49 "...'Why do you call me, 'LORD LORD?,' and do not do what I say? I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hars my words and puts them into practice. He is like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on a rock. When a flood came, the torrent sturck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears my words and does not put them into ppreactice is like a man who built a house on the gournd without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.' .." Without God, no matter how hard you try to live a 'good', (which as I quoted a few minutes ago, is impossible because only God is good) life, you wont be prepared for disaster, and when it does come, things will come crashing down around you. QUOTE People need proof today, more than ever. The evils of the world is escalating day by day... we need miracles now and not until it's too late. Mark 8:12 ".. 'Why does this generation ask for a miraculous sign? I tell you the truth, no sign will be given to it.' .." Matthew 16:2-4 "...'When evening comes, you say, 'It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,' and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a miraculous sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.'.. " QUOTE I don't feel as if I'm sitting in a mud puddle, but rather I feel free because I am doing things that will bring me peace of mind. It just makes me sad because you dont think you're being used by satan, and I dont mean to "destroy God's plans" but .. just in the little things, I'm sure if you evaluate your actions, you would find some similarities in the things that God despises, and the things you find yourself doing from time to time, we all would. Because as you said before, you can get just as much pleasure out of cheating people for self-gain. This is a very corrupt generation and we are tricked into believing that we are doing 'good'. As long as society recognizes us as 'good' people, then we're alright. We are called to do great and wonderous things in the name of God. You'll know you're doing something right when society is against you. Being accepted into this world as 'normal' is the last of my concerns. |
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