god, part 2 Options

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So yeah...the debate continues.. have fun.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[Spirited Away]

[quote=abberdabber,Jun 13 2004, 3:47 AM] Well, biblical quotes are from my heart, and from what you told me before you yourself were taught by your parents, just because you dont consider God my Father doesnt mean He hasnt been my teacher.


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So things that you speak from the heart comes from a Book. I suppose that's understandable...

[quote]It shouldnt matter where or how I attained my education, just that I have one, and though you dont consider the word of God a so-called 'answer' to your questions, you of all people should know that I am going to use my resources. I thought we were taught to put our knowledge to use in different situations from day to day? [/quote]

Sure, learning and applying knowledge is one thing, but I thought it's funny how all most Christians do is give quotes from the 'Big Book' to answer everyone's questions. It's like memorizing lines from a play or copying someone word for word, nothing to be impressed about because any child can do just that. It's almost like, plagiarism.

[quote]As I said before, out of men come evil, that is obvious, when people are not  obediant in God's word, then it's evident that evil will arise. [/quote]
You're confusing me yet again. Are you saying that Man is born evil?

[quote]It's in our nature. But who are we to tell God how to punish or stop it from happening. I can't answer for all of the horrible things that have happened in this world, How or why bad things happen to good people, but I do know that it's not our place. We have to have faith that God's judement will rein through evil. [/quote]

It's not our place to judge those things, but it is in our place to do something about it instead of crying to God. As you can see, no matter how much they (Jews) were suffering, God seemed to have closed His eyes to it all. Was it because of who they are? Are Jews, Muslims, and people of other religions any less of a human than Christians?


[quote]and all of the people that have been hurt and wronged, God will right it all when the day comes[/quote]

You mean God will right the wrongs done to Christians. He will still forsake GOOD non-believers because of who they are and who they chose to be.

[quote]You see? God looks at children as innocent, they do not have the same so-called responsibilites .. therefore are looked at entirely different than an adult. [/quote]

I see, so children, no matter how virtuous or corrupted will still be considered as innocents? While good adults, still 'children' in God's eyes (His children), will suffer the full blown punishments. In that, I see that God discriminates people in different age groups.

[quote]Well, you've made that clear, as a non-believer, of course you won't feel the sudden urge to read your word. As a christian, the Bible is my life. And a book in which I place my complete faith. [/quote]

When was that? I would like to see how you cam to that conclusion. Perhaps I need to further explain myself. I understand the importance of the Bible to Christians, but it was the Bible that the Church waved in front of people to discredit Galileo and his disagreement with a 'flat earth'.

[quote]God created us to worship Him, and to glorify Him.. but to truly love him, we had to have free will. It wouldnt be true love if He made us so that we required or programmed, to do such things automatically and without choice, we would be worshipping out of obligation rather than true love as God desires. he rids Himself of 'sinners' because they arent obedient as He would have hoped they would become on their own. [/quote]

I still don't understand. He gave us free will to love Him? Can you not hear the hypocrisy in it? If He expects us to love him in the first place, then why give us free will? You have free will to love or not to love Him, but if you choose the latter, you will suffer for eternity. Those are not very good choices to choose from: I would have to force myself to love Him or else I would be condemed.

[quote]God doesnt condemn anyone for living life. He does, however, condemn the disobediant, to get into heaven you have to believe .. you have to partake in God's plan for your life, otherwise you're just another person in this world. You have to live your life by faith, giving it all to God, knowing that no matter what, He'll pull you through. No matter how hard you try to 'not commit any evils' .. we all sin. like ive said a bazillion times, its our nature to be evil. And without repentance, we will go to hell. [/quote]

He condems those who uses the true meaning of 'free will' and free will, in essence, means disobidence.

There are different levels of sins, however, God will make all sins tantamount to each other. I do not think that's fair. Even in the court system, there are different levels of punishment for different crimes, depending on how severe. We mortals perceive the different levels of punishments, and yet God will see all sins as sins.

[quote]No, God will 'foresaken' you for sinning. Pride is a sin, and no matter how good you think you've been, you need forgiveness. [/quote]

I only seek forgiveness in myself. Even if God will forgive me for accidentally killing someone, I will not be able to forgive myself for their loss.

It's so easy for people to kill someone and then be forgiven by God. Remember the Crusades? The slaughtering of 'heathens' were justified by Christians' belief in God's forgiveness. They killed in His name. I suppose that's due to 'evils', but you see, they were Christians, much like yourself. Of course, God will forgive you because you believe in Him. I understand.

[quote]You know, I really dont believe that people (non believers) know what they are missing out on.. some dont even know anything about the glory of God. [/quote]

That's an opinion.

[quote]They strive to be 'good people' because growing up .. we are taught to be 'good' at least some of us are. I think that people dont want to be 'bad' they just get lost in lust and sin.. and don't realize that they dont have to go through pain, or sorrow, or even confusion.. they dont understand what it's like to be able to put your hands in the air and shout "I GIVE UP!" and give all of their worries to the LORD.[/quote]

A person will only fail when he/she gives up.

That's true, I was taught to be good. However, being bad can bring satisfaction just as well. I can be good to my family and friends and then cheat strangers, and I will still have the love that I need and gain profits at the same time. But even I know that doing so will destroy my conscience. I don't think of God when I do things to benefit other people, I to have a peaceful life. It's a selfish thing to do, and probably is a sin, but this sin will benefit other people.

[quote]Christ, were true. You see, without miraculous things happening, people dont believe. People need proof, and God was giving it to us. The fact that Jesus had performed so many miracles wasnt enough .. He had to have something amazing happen. He had told His disciples that He would be crucified, then rise on the third day. Along with raising others from the dead, Jesus was a man of the 'impossible'
God has to wait, until He has an army of unbudge-able people. as it says in [/quote]

People need proof today, more than ever. The evils of the world is escalating day by day... we need miracles now and not until it's too late.

[quote]I'm sure you realize that this is a parable that Jesus was giving His disciples regarding the world. He is trying to say that satan is going to have a hold on people that let him, that no matter how hard God tries to rid the earth of the 'weeds' .. with free will, there will always be people that rebel. [/quote]

Do you consider me as someone who has let Satan control my actions? Or perhaps a rebel? There are non-Christians who waver in life, confused between good and evil, but there are some who will be true to themselves until the very end. I do not rebel against God because He hasn't given me reason to. To me, if His believers do good for society, I have no qualms about it.

With the world plunging into decadence, there is need for something 'good'. If that good be God, then let it be.

[quote]How? how have you done good? I'm not asking these things to seem like a 'smart-alek'.. but do you ever wonder what it would be like to have eternal peace? [/quote]

I've done good because I'm a person of morals, though I will be off course at times it is in human nature to do so. Eternal peace will mean nothing without peace of mind. To me doing bad things will not give me peace, therefore I strive to do good things. Once more I would like to point out that it is a selfish motive, but one that would benefit others.

[quote]To never have to wonder about your future, or where you're going? Knowing that no matter the circumstance, God will be right there by your side. That these things arent in your hands anymore..that God is in complete control? I just cant imagine being happy sitting in a mud puddle when there's an ocean just waiting for you to jump into..[/quote]

It is an opinion.

I don't feel as if I'm sitting in a mud puddle, but rather I feel free because I am doing things that will bring me peace of mind.