god, part 2 Options

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So yeah...the debate continues.. have fun.

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[QUOTE=uninspiredfae,Jun 12 2004, 7:16 PM]

Just so you know, biblical quote do not impress me. I'm a person who likes answers from people's hearts, not from what they learned from others how things should be.

Well, biblical quotes are from my heart, and from what you told me before you yourself were taught by your parents, just because you dont consider God my Father doesnt mean He hasnt been my teacher. It shouldnt matter where or how I attained my education, just that I have one, and though you dont consider the word of God a so-called 'answer' to your questions, you of all people should know that I am going to use my resources. I thought we were taught to put our knowledge to use in different situations from day to day?


I'm sure the same generosity and power would have been much appreciated by the Jews during the Holocaust.  If you tell me that it is because that the Jews are Jews and not Christains that God did not help them, then I would think that God discriminates.


As I said before, out of men come evil, that is obvious, when people are not  obediant in God's word, then it's evident that evil will arise. It's in our nature. But who are we to tell God how to punish or stop it from happening. I can't answer for all of the horrible things that have happened in this world, How or why bad things happen to good people, but I do know that it's not our place. We have to have faith that God's judement will rein through evil.
as it says in Isaiah 14:3

"... On the day the Lord gives you relief from suffering and turmoil and cruel bondage, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:
  How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended! The lord has broken the rod of the wicked..."

and all of the people that have been hurt and wronged, God will right it all when the day comes



Are you saying that if I only think of deceiving someone, but never act the deed, then I'm still 'uncleaned'? That's pretty strange to me. If a hungry, starving child is thinking about stealing food for his sick mother, but then he didn't do it because his mother told him stealing was bad and he doesn't do the deed. Is he still uncleaned to you?
I would call that child a very virtuous child, and he would deserve to go to Heaven more than anyone of us.

Isaiah 53:6
"...6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to his own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all..."
We all sin, as I have said numerous times, the boy would not be 'unclean' because he had thoughts of doing wrong.
as it says in mattew 18:3-6

"...I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. But if anyone causes on of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea..."

You see? God looks at children as innocent, they do not have the same so-called responsibilites .. therefore are looked at entirely different than an adult.


When did I say that that you said the Bibles doesn't have stories? I was merely asking you a question. Instructions of morality I already know but would read for entertainment, but if you're refering to instructions about how to serve God, then that I do not need.

Well, you've made that clear, as a non-believer, of course you won't feel the sudden urge to read your word. As a christian, the Bible is my life. And a book in which I place my complete faith.



Why would God create us and give us free will knowing that we will sin and then ridding Himself of sinners? Interesting. Are you saying those things about non-believers from experience? Because I can tell you now, that I know I'm more 'in the light' than most people. Maybe it's just my pride.

God created us to worship Him, and to glorify Him.. but to truly love him, we had to have free will. It wouldnt be true love if He made us so that we required or programmed, to do such things automatically and without choice, we would be worshipping out of obligation rather than true love as God desires. he rids Himself of 'sinners' because they arent obedient as He would have hoped they would become on their own.

I don't know what will happen in life, but I'm sure as heck not going to cower in fear of the future, as there is no need to be. You trust your life in God's hands, while I trust my life in my hands. I try do so virtuously, not comitting evils. If your God will condem me for that, than I have nothing more to say.

God doesnt condemn anyone for living life. He does, however, condemn the disobediant, to get into heaven you have to believe .. you have to partake in God's plan for your life, otherwise you're just another person in this world. You have to live your life by faith, giving it all to God, knowing that no matter what, He'll pull you through. No matter how hard you try to 'not commit any evils' .. we all sin. like ive said a bazillion times, its our nature to be evil. And without repentance, we will go to hell.

Hehe, I will die as a martyr to non-believers. Let it be a lesson that no matter what good you do in life, God will forsaken you if you do not believe in Him.

No, God will 'foresaken' you for sinning. Pride is a sin, and no matter how good you think you've been, you need forgiveness.

Proverbs 6:17-19
"...There are six things the LORD hates, seven that He finds detestable:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers..."

any of these things will send you to hell, many things go on inside of the heart of men..

You still haven't really answered me. What do you think strive non-believers to do good deeds? For their self-esteme? Surely you have faith in God's children more than that.

You know, I really dont believe that people (non believers) know what they are missing out on.. some dont even know anything about the glory of God. They strive to be 'good people' because growing up .. we are taught to be 'good' at least some of us are. I think that people dont want to be 'bad' they just get lost in lust and sin.. and don't realize that they dont have to go through pain, or sorrow, or even confusion.. they dont understand what it's like to be able to put your hands in the air and shout "I GIVE UP!" and give all of their worries to the LORD.

If He rose from the dead, then why does He needs to "come back"?

First of all, understand that Jesus was crucified, not only to wash us in His blood, but as a sign, to all of us, that all of the prophets that had prophesied about Jesus Christ, were true. You see, without miraculous things happening, people dont believe. People need proof, and God was giving it to us. The fact that Jesus had performed so many miracles wasnt enough .. He had to have something amazing happen. He had told His disciples that He would be crucified, then rise on the third day. Along with raising others from the dead, Jesus was a man of the 'impossible'
God has to wait, until He has an army of unbudge-able people. as it says in

matthew 13:29

"... 'No,' He answered, 'because while you are pullin the wees, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time i will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it in to my barn'... " 

I'm sure you realize that this is a parable that Jesus was giving His disciples regarding the world. He is trying to say that satan is going to have a hold on people that let him, that no matter how hard God tries to rid the earth of the 'weeds' .. with free will, there will always be people that rebel.


But like I said, I do not fear Heaven's wrath, I will die happy knowing that I've done good.

How? how have you done good? I'm not asking these things to seem like a 'smart-alek'.. but do you ever wonder what it would be like to have eternal peace? To never have to wonder about your future, or where you're going? Knowing that no matter the circumstance, God will be right there by your side. That these things arent in your hands anymore..that God is in complete control? I just cant imagine being happy sitting in a mud puddle when there's an ocean just waiting for you to jump into..