Debate for school Options

[concreteangel]

I have a debate that is due this Friday.
The debate is about whether or not someone should get a kidney transplant or not. One side is if it is a birth defect and the other side is if they are a drinker and need a transplant. My group is on the side of the transplant for the birth defect. I've searched and searched and cant find diddly squat to help me with this situation.
So that is why I'm asking you to tell me what your views on each side.
What side would you choose and why?

[kimmytree]

^ But still, who's to say you're dad wont have medical problems in the future, as a result of drinking in the past? That's good that he's turned his life around, but he still could pay the price later on.

Oh and sadolakced acid is right, drinking causes liver problems... not kidney damage. But either way, just because a person has put themself in a situation doesnt mean they intentionally put themself there knowing for sure that one day they would have some type of disease because of it. [/woah major run on]

If a child needs an organ due to a birth defect but has several months to live... and an adult who smoke/drank/whatever making themself need the same organ, and only has a few weeks to live - I'd let the child wait for another organ and give it to the adult. But if both the child and the adult had the same amount of time left, then the child definitely deserves the organ. Even if they both needed one as a result of having a birth defect, the child should still come first.

[cori-catastrophe]

^ But still, who's to say you're dad wont have medical problems in the future, as a result of drinking in the past? That's good that he's turned his life around, but he still could pay the price later on.

Oh and sadolakced acid is right, drinking causes liver problems... not kidney damage. But either way, just because a person has put themself in a situation doesnt mean they intentionally put themself there knowing for sure that one day they would have some type of disease because of it. [/woah major run on]

If a child needs an organ due to a birth defect but has several months to live... and an adult who smoke/drank/whatever making themself need the same organ, and only has a few weeks to live - I'd let the child wait for another organ and give it to the adult. But if both the child and the adult had the same amount of time left, then the child definitely deserves the organ. Even if they both needed one as a result of having a birth defect, the child should still come first.

which is my point. he chose to drink in the first place, which caused the addiction. he may very very have some medical problems because of it. actually, he already does. but you see, that was his choice in the first place. no one forced him, so it's his fault. that's like saying being raped is your fault if you disagree with that. i hope you don't.
you can't tell me that an adult, or teenager for that matter, doesn't know the risks of drinking, smoking, drugs, ect. when they first start it/ of course, it's peer pressure nintey-nine percent of the time, but they still have an option to say no and it's their screw-up if they don't. they knows the risks but choose their deicsion anyways. again, you just brought up another one of my points. the adult has lived longer than the child.

Good point,don't get me wrong I respect your father for being as strong as he was.But not everyone has that will power.You can go to rehab,or somewhere else to treat your problem.There's no way that you will def. be able to stop nor have the will power to turn their lives around No matter how hard they try.An addiction is not just some small thing you can say you will put and end to and voila it happens.I agree to exactly what kimmy said.

i didn't say it was easy to have an intervention and break the addiction, did i? of course it's not easy, but it's certainly not impossible. again, they have the will-power.

[iGio]

which is my point. he chose to drink in the first place, which caused the addiction. he may very very have some medical problems because of it. actually, he already does. but you see, that was his choice in the first place. no one forced him, so it's his fault. that's like saying being raped is your fault if you disagree with that. i hope you don't.
you can't tell me that an adult, or teenager for that matter, doesn't know the risks of drinking, smoking, drugs, ect. when they first start it/ of course, it's peer pressure nintey-nine percent of the time, but they still have an option to say no and it's their screw-up if they don't. they knows the risks but choose their deicsion anyways. again, you just brought up another one of my points. the adult has lived longer than the child.

i didn't say it was easy to have an intervention and break the addiction, did i? of course it's not easy, but it's certainly not impossible. again, they have the will-power.

^Your missing my point.I didn't say you said it was easy.I was stating simply your saying they have will power.Having will power will not always be enough to stop the addiction.I agree with kim again

[cori-catastrophe]

^Your missing my point.I didn't say you said it was easy.I was stating simply your saying they have will power.Having will power will not always be enough to stop the addiction.I agree with kim again

again, i didn't say it would stop the addiction. i'm just saying that they have a choice. will-power is a majority of breaking any addiction though. like i said, it's not impossible for anyone.
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oh yeah. and kimmy, on this topic, i've been waiting for you to reply for around a week now.

[kimmytree]

again, i didn't say it would stop the addiction. i'm just saying that they have a choice. will-power is a majority of breaking any addiction though. like i said, it's not impossible for anyone.
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oh yeah. and kimmy, on this topic, i've been waiting for you to reply for around a week now.

Well obviously. Everything we do in life is a choice. Everything in life has its risks. Not everyone who drinks ends up dying over it. And certainly no one drinks thinking they'll become addicted or die from it. I'm not trying to excuse anyone for doing it, but come on. If a person *KNEW* they were going to need a organ transplant or something later on in life from drinking, they would never take the first sip. Everyone makes mistakes in life... whether its taking their first sip, smoking their first joint, etc. They just become uncontrollable habits. I dont know how hard it is to completely stop drinking, but I know it takes some people years to break the habit of smoking.

Dont worry, I didnt forget about it. I'm just a little tired of repeating the same thing over and over again. The debate was going nowhere. But ahhh whatever.

most of the time it's peer pressure. choices, choices, choices. people should learn to good make choices. that's just a fact. even if it was an "urge" that caused it, it's still a choice. no one forced anyone do drink. so it's their own fault. i'm in no way saying that they should get an organ that they need, i'm just saying that the child should get it first because they've done nothing wrong to get put in that situation. i have no pity for drinkers.

Yeah, but EVERYONE makes a bad choice somewhere along the line. I dont mean to sound all stalkerish, but I saw the other day you talking about getting your face pierced... that's no more peer pressure or a bad choice than some kid starting to drink. Hopefully I didnt just cross the line by saying that - because I dont mean it in a bad way. But everyone caves into peer pressure in one way or another. Its sad, but true.

[cori-catastrophe]

Well obviously. Everything we do in life is a choice. Everything in life has its risks. Not everyone who drinks ends up dying over it. And certainly no one drinks thinking they'll become addicted or die from it. I'm not trying to excuse anyone for doing it, but come on. If a person *KNEW* they were going to need a organ transplant or something later on in life from drinking, they would never take the first sip. Everyone makes mistakes in life... whether its taking their first sip, smoking their first joint, etc. They just become uncontrollable habits. I dont know how hard it is to completely stop drinking, but I know it takes some people years to break the habit of smoking.

Dont worry, I didnt forget about it. I'm just a little tired of repeating the same thing over and over again. The debate was going nowhere. But ahhh whatever.
Yeah, but EVERYONE makes a bad choice somewhere along the line. I dont mean to sound all stalkerish, but I saw the other day you talking about getting your face pierced... that's no more peer pressure or a bad choice than some kid starting to drink. Hopefully I didnt just cross the line by saying that - because I dont mean it in a bad way. But everyone caves into peer pressure in one way or another. Its sad, but true.

i do understand what you're saying and i half-way agree with you. i'm not sure, but it just seems like common sense to me that the child would get the organ first. that is, unless they were going to die anyways and it could save the drinker's life.
the debate was going nowhere because you stop replying. i like debating with you. it's a challenge.
i never said that everyone doesn't make a bad choice. everyone does, like you implyed. i didn't get my piercing because of peer pressure. i got it because i felt like it would express myself more. actually, i got in an argument with this guy. he said not to get it, because they were ugly. lots of people don't like that particular kind of piercing because it's pretty uncommon. but i'm not doing it to satisfy anyone else.
and yes, you're right. everyone has peer pressure. people give in alot. i've given in to alot of things. and if i get addicted, it'll be my own fault because i know the risks.

[kimmytree]

i do understand what you're saying and i half-way agree with you. i'm not sure, but it just seems like common sense to me that the child would get the organ first. that is, unless they were going to die anyways and it could save the drinker's life.
the debate was going nowhere because you stop replying. i like debating with you. it's a challenge.
i never said that everyone doesn't make a bad choice. everyone does, like you implyed. i didn't get my piercing because of peer pressure. i got it because i felt like it would express myself more. actually, i got in an argument with this guy. he said not to get it, because they were ugly. lots of people don't like that particular kind of piercing because it's pretty uncommon. but i'm not doing it to satisfy anyone else.
and yes, you're right. everyone has peer pressure. people give in alot. i've given in to alot of things. and if i get addicted, it'll be my own fault because i know the risks.

Oh, I agree - the child should be given the chance to live before any adult, even if they both needed an organ as a result of a birth defect... but that's if they're in the same type of condition. But if a child still has several weeks/months to live, and the adult is in critical condition - then by all means the adult should have it.

Well, I stopped replying because I didnt feel like it was really going anywhere. It just seemed like we kept repeating things over and over again. It's not your fault or anything though - it seems like that's how it usually is when people try to debate things like that. Religion cant be completely proved or disproved in a debate. But I think I'll go back and re-read to your last post there, and hopefully think of something else to add.

That's great that you didnt do it just to fit in then. I shouldnt have worded that the way I did - I meant that it seems like a large majority of people who do get piercings like that do it because of peer pressure or to fit in... but certainly not everyone.

[cori-catastrophe]

Oh, I agree - the child should be given the chance to live before any adult, even if they both needed an organ as a result of a birth defect... but that's if they're in the same type of condition. But if a child still has several weeks/months to live, and the adult is in critical condition - then by all means the adult should have it.

Well, I stopped replying because I didnt feel like it was really going anywhere. It just seemed like we kept repeating things over and over again. It's not your fault or anything though - it seems like that's how it usually is when people try to debate things like that. Religion cant be completely proved or disproved in a debate. But I think I'll go back and re-read to your last post there, and hopefully think of something else to add.

That's great that you didnt do it just to fit in then. I shouldnt have worded that the way I did - I meant that it seems like a large majority of people who do get piercings like that do it because of peer pressure or to fit in... but certainly not everyone.

i do understand what you're saying. and i agree in those circumstances. but the op said nothing about the time that had to live.