god, part 2 Options

[*CEP*]

So yeah...the debate continues.. have fun.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[Spirited Away]

gosh dangit, i messed up the whole quote thing. oh well the *** are what she said.

Yes, it was kind of complicated to read all that.

Just so you know, biblical quote do not impress me. I'm a person who likes answers from people's hearts, not from what they learned from others how things should be.

Anyway, let us continue:

Mark 6:38-44

"How many loaves do you have?" he asked "Go and see" When they found out, they said, "Five loaves and two fish."
Then Jesus directed them to have all the people sit down in groups on the green grass.  So they sat down in groups of hundreds and fifties. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, He gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then He gave them to his disciples to set before the people. He also divided the two fish among them all. They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces of bread and fish. The number of men who had eaten was five thousand.. "

I'm sure the same generosity and power would have been much appreciated by the Jews during the Holocaust.

If you tell me that it is because that the Jews are Jews and not Christains that God did not help them, then I would think that God discriminates.

Mark 7:20-23

".. What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean'. For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, jewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these eveils come from inside and make a man 'unclean'..." 

If that comes from all men, EVERYONE sins, if everyone sins, then no matter how 'Virtuous' you are, without forgiveness, you will go to hell.

Are you saying that if I only think of deceiving someone, but never act the deed, then I'm still 'uncleaned'? That's pretty strange to me. If a hungry, starving child is thinking about stealing food for his sick mother, but then he didn't do it because his mother told him stealing was bad and he doesn't do the deed. Is he still uncleaned to you?

I would call that child a very virtuous child, and he would deserve to go to Heaven more than anyone of us.

When in that whole paragraph did I say that the bible DOESNT have stories in it? I said that the Bible isnt simply a storybook. The Bible is, however, a book made for instruction.

When did I say that that you said the Bibles doesn't have stories? I was merely asking you a question. Instructions of morality I already know but would read for entertainment, but if you're refering to instructions about how to serve God, then that I do not need.

Thats the difference between the followers and the NON-believers, Everyone in this world lives their life as if they have to achieve personal satisfaction.. its a ME world, everyone trying to succeed. Whereas in the christian perspective, you give your life over to Christ. You let God lead your way, and let Him use you to glorify His name. Yes the people that try to lead their own lives are walkin in the dark, its basically luck of the draw. They don't know if what they're getting themselves into will end up good or bad, whereas with Christ, you're always in safe hands.

Why would God create us and give us free will knowing that we will sin and then ridding Himself of sinners? Interesting. Are you saying those things about non-believers from experience? Because I can tell you now, that I know I'm more 'in the light' than most people. Maybe it's just my pride.

I don't know what will happen in life, but I'm sure as heck not going to cower in fear of the future, as there is no need to be. You trust your life in God's hands, while I trust my life in my hands. I try do so virtuously, not comitting evils. If your God will condem me for that, than I have nothing more to say.

Hehe, I will die as a martyr to non-believers. Let it be a lesson that no matter what good you do in life, God will forsaken you if you do not believe in Him.

You still haven't really answered me. What do you think strive non-believers to do good deeds? For their self-esteme? Surely you have faith in God's children more than that.

The difference between Our religion and all of the others is that our GOD is living. Jesus Christ Rose from the dead, and will come back to save us. 

If He rose from the dead, then why does He needs to "come back"?

You mock us as christians now, but when the wrath of Heaven rains down, It's not going to be us you have to face. You will have to look GOD in the eyes and explain your actions.. 

Know that I do not mock you for being a Christian. Sometimes, I feel like you guys are mocking yourselves.

But like I said, I do not fear Heaven's wrath, I will die happy knowing that I've done good.

So now you say that I will face God. Earlier in the debate, someone told me that I'll never have a chance to face God because he cannot abide sinners to be near Him. But I'm not ashamed to meet your God because I'm sure I can explain myself. (EDIT:: I so feel like I'm going to get flamed for that statement... but it's okay, me=future martyr remember?)