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god, part 2
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post Jun 11 2004, 11:55 PM
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post Jun 12 2004, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(GinaDaQueen @ Jun 12 2004, 2:21 PM)
I haven't really read the other topic but from the responses here, it feels like the non-Christians are kind of annoyed because it seems like the Christians are trying to force their religions down their throats. But, it shouldn't be like that. Christians are just there in order to enlighten you of their beliefs. It's not some sort of cult where our (yes, I'm a Christian) power comes from brainwashing members and forcing them to do things. Christians were created to share God's story, and let you guys decide for yourselves whether it's true or not. That's the beauty of it. God have us free will. He lets us choose to do whatever we want. And it's natural of us to quote the Bible and use our resources, sort of like a lawyer would try to gather evidence to prove his case. We're like the lawyers, we put the facts out there and you as judges/jury are supposed to sift through fact or fiction and dtermine who makes the better case.

Of course, some non-Christians think we're know-it-alls because we say our religion is the only right one, but it's the same with doctors. If you were really sick, and a doctor told you to take Medicine A and it's the only way to survive, would you not take it because you think that the doctor is just lying for his own sake? No. You have to have fatih that the medicine will work, or that God exists. We're telling you that our "medicine" works. Now whether you take it or not is up to you.

Well said.
But, even as a christian myself, I will say that there are some people here that are trying to convince others by ramming their beliefs down their throats and by using the Bible and what not.
Yes, the Bible is a source of truth, and no, it is not fiction, Chinkie. And, no, I can't prove it to you. Its a thing of faith and watching the history channel (They have proved many of the stories from the bible)
But I can tell you something I found online that uses science to prove the bible. I will look for the link again (comp crashed, and I lost it) for those who want to read the whole thing.
NASA scientists were trying to figure out on what orbit to put new satellites to prevent planet crashes and all that. IN order to do that, they placed a lot of info (don't really remember what, sorry...) into computers to sort of predict where the planets would be in fifty to one hundred years. So they placed all the info into the computers and let them run. All was going well until the computers just stopped. Technically, all was in good order, but the computers kept on giving an error message. Then, after more research, the techs found out that the computers gave the error message because they said there was a day missing in the time frame. Of course, no one thought that was possible, but among the techs there was a christian man. He told them that in the Bible, there was the story of Joshua. He was in a battle that seemed to be going the wrong way for him, so he asked God to stop the sun so he could have more time to fight and perhaps win (To those who might be interested and have access to a Bible, the story starts in JOshua 10 verse 12). As I was saying, God granted Joshua's request and he stopped the sun for almost a hole day. The techs were skeptic at first, but gave it a try. They placed that new info into the computers and alas, 23 hours and 20 minutes came back into the time frame. But of course, there were still forty minutes missing. This is when the christian guy came back. There is another story in the bible where a king asked God to give him a sign that he (the king) was going to be well (he was very sick), and the sign God gave him was the retreat of the shadow on a sun dial. The shadow retreated 10 degrees, which were the forty minutes that were missing. (Where that story is found scapes my mind. I'll have to get back to you on that one...).
So the techs placed that new info into the computers and the error messages dissapeared. The missing day was found.
Now, after that long-ass entry, haha, I didn't write this to try to prove anything, or try to shove anything down people's throats. I wrote it to show that perhaps with a little research, you can find many things that do explain events in history using both science and God. Science is *not* a bad thing! God created it for us to become enlightened and learn more. Some scientists just take it to a whole new level. Thats all.
*Whew...* I'm done, haha. tongue.gif
 

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CEP   god   Jun 11 2004, 11:55 PM
abberdabber   this goes out to FAE.. so here ya go. **Is God al...   Jun 11 2004, 11:58 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 11:58 PM)thi...   Jun 12 2004, 12:09 AM
iheartsimba   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 11:58 PM)thi...   Jun 12 2004, 12:19 AM
abberdabber   LoL .. Well you guys obviously didnt read back to ...   Jun 12 2004, 12:22 AM
CEP   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 10:22 PM)LoL...   Jun 12 2004, 01:30 AM
abberdabber   * this will be the last entry submitted * fae wa...   Jun 12 2004, 01:52 AM
synkro   just wondering.. have any of you ever read the boo...   Jun 12 2004, 08:05 AM
princess2113   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 12 2004, 8:05 AM)just wond...   Jun 12 2004, 09:00 AM
synkro   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 12 2004, 9:00 AM)not...   Jun 12 2004, 09:17 AM
princess2113   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 12 2004, 9:17 AM)what...   Jun 12 2004, 10:28 AM
CEP   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 12 2004, 6:05 AM)just wond...   Jun 12 2004, 10:40 AM
IIO__oII   u guys should read MERE CHRISTIANITY.. =] PS...ch...   Jun 12 2004, 11:53 AM
GinaDaQueen   I haven't really read the other topic but from...   Jun 12 2004, 02:21 PM
easilyxamusedx   nicely said.   Jun 12 2004, 02:29 PM
DisneyPrincessKate   I honestly don't see how you can't believe...   Jun 12 2004, 02:31 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(GinaDaQueen @ Jun 12 2004, 2:21 PM)I ha...   Jun 12 2004, 03:17 PM
synkro   it wasn't a question whether the book was true...   Jun 12 2004, 06:27 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 11 2004, 11:58 PM)gos...   Jun 12 2004, 07:16 PM
machinoman   I just saw Saved! and it was great. "Jes...   Jun 13 2004, 02:56 AM
abberdabber   [QUOTE=uninspiredfae,Jun 12 2004, 7:16 PM] Just ...   Jun 13 2004, 03:47 AM
Spirited Away   So things that you speak from the heart comes fro...   Jun 13 2004, 10:15 AM
princess2113   alrite u want us to give u OUR knowledge, but we ...   Jun 13 2004, 10:35 AM
sadolakced acid   i have a question for all you christians out there...   Jun 13 2004, 02:14 PM
abberdabber   alright i jacked it up again, i answered at two di...   Jun 13 2004, 03:13 PM
abberdabber   .QUOTEYou mean God will right the wrongs done to C...   Jun 13 2004, 04:13 PM
IIO__oII   YAY fresh and new! no more scrolling thru 50+ ...   Jun 13 2004, 04:39 PM
abberdabber   yea i know, its a whole lot better than before...   Jun 13 2004, 05:23 PM
princess2113   wait to answer that other persons ??....Creation d...   Jun 13 2004, 08:40 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 13 2004, 10:35 AM)al...   Jun 13 2004, 09:05 PM
Spirited Away   First of all, sorry for double posting. That...   Jun 13 2004, 09:47 PM
princess2113   second-hand knowledge???? u trust ur history book...   Jun 13 2004, 10:01 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 13 2004, 10:01 PM)u ...   Jun 13 2004, 10:06 PM
abberdabber   Fae, are you sure thats the reason you continue to...   Jun 13 2004, 10:06 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 13 2004, 10:06 PM)Fae...   Jun 13 2004, 10:14 PM
DisneyPrincessKate   You guys are so nit-picky and technical. The impo...   Jun 13 2004, 10:42 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(DisneyPrincessKate @ Jun 13 2004, 10:42...   Jun 13 2004, 10:49 PM
princess2113   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 13 2004, 10:06 PM)W...   Jun 13 2004, 10:59 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(princess2113 @ Jun 13 2004, 10:59 PM)...   Jun 13 2004, 11:05 PM
abberdabber   QUOTEHow have you suffered persecution for your be...   Jun 13 2004, 11:06 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 13 2004, 11:06 PM)Fae...   Jun 13 2004, 11:19 PM
sadolakced acid   sure, christians shouldn't be persecuted for w...   Jun 13 2004, 11:46 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(sadolakced acid @ Jun 13 2004, 11:46 PM...   Jun 14 2004, 12:02 AM
abberdabber   Fae, ive been reading through the last few posts o...   Jun 14 2004, 02:25 AM
synkro   i find it interesting that when we say "god...   Jun 14 2004, 04:54 AM
DisneyPrincessKate   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 13 2004, 11:49 PM)W...   Jun 14 2004, 09:43 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(abberdabber @ Jun 14 2004, 2:25 AM)Fae,...   Jun 14 2004, 10:25 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 14 2004, 4:54 AM)i find it...   Jun 14 2004, 10:34 AM
synkro   QUOTEBut since everyone has been saying that God w...   Jun 14 2004, 10:42 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(synkro @ Jun 14 2004, 10:42 AM)you may ...   Jun 14 2004, 10:54 AM
synkro   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 14 2004, 10:54 AM)I...   Jun 14 2004, 10:58 AM
IIO__oII   QUOTEWhy believe in something I cannot see, when I...   Jun 14 2004, 04:37 PM
ryfitaDF   i'm cool with anyone, believer or not.   Jun 14 2004, 05:54 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 13 2004, 11:05 PM)G...   Jun 14 2004, 07:20 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 14 2004, 10:25 AM)H...   Jun 14 2004, 07:34 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEI know many don't like quotings of the Bi...   Jun 14 2004, 08:59 PM
ryfitaDF   what about all the revisions of the bible? you may...   Jun 14 2004, 09:18 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 14 2004, 9:18 PM)what ab...   Jun 15 2004, 06:40 AM
Retrogressive   i used to be a very strong christian, i even had a...   Jun 16 2004, 04:40 PM
Yemmerz   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 14 2004, 10:18 PM)what a...   Jun 16 2004, 04:46 PM
JlIaTMK   im christian and i personally dont believe so much...   Jun 16 2004, 08:55 PM
shawty_redd   QUOTE(Yemmerz @ Jun 16 2004, 3:46 PM)It does,...   Jun 16 2004, 10:47 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(shawty_redd @ Jun 16 2004, 10:47 PM)so ...   Jun 17 2004, 02:01 AM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 17 2004, 2:01 AM)yes. i ...   Jun 17 2004, 09:14 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jun 17 2004, 9:14 AM...   Jun 17 2004, 09:39 AM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 17 2004, 9:39 AM)I ...   Jun 17 2004, 10:46 AM
Spirited Away   Here you go (<--about midrash).   Jun 17 2004, 10:51 AM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(uninspiredfae @ Jun 17 2004, 10:51 AM)H...   Jun 17 2004, 10:56 AM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(loseronaisle5 @ Jun 16 2004, 4:40 PM)bu...   Jun 17 2004, 02:12 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEf i believed in god i wouldn't think he h...   Jun 17 2004, 03:38 PM
onenonly101   QUOTEi don't want to believe in a god who does...   Jun 18 2004, 03:59 PM
Gypsy Eyes   Personally, I dont believe in god. I honestly thin...   Jun 18 2004, 05:56 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ Jun 18 2004, 5:56 PM)Perso...   Jun 19 2004, 12:31 AM
kryogenix   QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ Jun 18 2004, 5:56 PM)Perso...   Jun 19 2004, 07:43 AM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE-Evolution is as much as a theory as the stor...   Jun 19 2004, 11:05 AM
onenonly101   QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ Jun 18 2004, 5:56 PM)Perso...   Jun 19 2004, 11:49 AM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 19 2004, 11:49 AM)The...   Jun 19 2004, 12:56 PM
onenonly101   but didn't you say you believe in your self? t...   Jun 19 2004, 04:04 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 19 2004, 11:49 AM)Fir...   Jun 19 2004, 04:20 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 19 2004, 12:56 PM)then w...   Jun 19 2004, 09:30 PM
Lena   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 19 2004, 4:04 PM)but ...   Jun 19 2004, 10:06 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(Lena @ Jun 19 2004, 10:06 PM)CrimsonArc...   Jun 19 2004, 11:01 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTEThen I ask you...who created the so called cr...   Jun 20 2004, 01:36 AM
Gypsy Eyes   QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jun 19 2004, 9:30 PM...   Jun 20 2004, 01:49 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(Gypsy Eyes @ Jun 20 2004, 1:49 PM)Lamb ...   Jun 20 2004, 03:28 PM
ryfitaDF   QUOTE(CrimsonArchangel @ Jun 20 2004, 3:28 PM...   Jun 20 2004, 03:53 PM
CrimsonArchangel   QUOTE(ryfitaDF @ Jun 20 2004, 3:53 PM)why not...   Jun 20 2004, 04:00 PM
onenonly101   QUOTEI've never heard of the Ten Commandments ...   Jun 21 2004, 11:47 AM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 21 2004, 11:47 AM)You...   Jun 21 2004, 12:06 PM
onenonly101   QUOTESo you're saying that before the Ten Comm...   Jun 21 2004, 12:35 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(onenonly101 @ Jun 21 2004, 12:35 PM)I d...   Jun 21 2004, 12:44 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEIf trusting God makes my life easier were tru...   Jun 21 2004, 03:55 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(IIO__oII @ Jun 21 2004, 3:55 PM)maybe i...   Jun 21 2004, 04:35 PM
IIO__oII   QUOTEi don't get you. first you say that Chri...   Jun 21 2004, 05:42 PM
Spirited Away   QUOTE(IIO__oII @ Jun 21 2004, 5:42 PM)err.. w...   Jun 21 2004, 05:47 PM
ComradeRed   How will you spend eternity? Smoking or non-smokin...   Jun 21 2004, 08:15 PM
ryfitaDF   raise your fist in the air. DRUG FREE!   Jun 22 2004, 01:01 AM
stryker76   Yeah i have to agree the christains do suffer more...   Jun 22 2004, 06:10 AM
onenonly101   i don't know if this is what princess and iio_...   Jun 22 2004, 10:13 AM
Beyond Elite   oh my. People are crazy about this topic huh?   Jun 22 2004, 10:44 AM
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