god, part 2 Options

[*CEP*]

So yeah...the debate continues.. have fun.

- Chinkieeyedpnoi

[abberdabber]

this goes out to FAE.. so here ya go.

**Is God all powerful in the sense of giving miracles?**

Mark 6:38-44

"How many loaves do you have?" he asked "Go and see" When they found out, they said, "Five loaves and two fish."
Then Jesus directed them to have all the people sit down in groups on the green grass. So they sat down in groups of hundreds and fifties. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, He gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then He gave them to his disciples to set before the people. He also divided the two fish among them all. They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces of bread and fish. The number of men who had eaten was five thousand.. "

you tell me.



***What of people who do not believe in God? The Holy Spirit doesn't reside in them, does that mean they're immoral then? I'm confused.
Wow. So everything is black and white, no shades of gray in between? No exceptions? And you said that someone else was closed minded?
Does God believe in exceptions, I wonder? All the good that non-believers do is in vain, and yet non-believers will continue to do good. I wonder why? What strives non-believers, do you know?
There isn't a Holy Spirit in them to guide non-believers to the right decisions, so that means GOOD non-believers are virtuous people in essence. Will God turn away virtuous people even though they do not believe? ***

Mark 7:20-23

".. What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean'. For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, jewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these eveils come from inside and make a man 'unclean'..."

If that comes from all men, EVERYONE sins, if everyone sins, then no matter how 'Virtuous' you are, without forgiveness, you will go to hell.

***You mean David and Goliath (a simple example) isn't a story? My Christian friend gave me copies of some things to read when I was in junior high. I found them highly entertaining and that it teaches lessons of virtues, which is a good thing. But like I said, it's not anything I don't already know.***

When in that whole paragraph did I say that the bible DOESNT have stories in it? I said that the Bible isnt simply a storybook. The Bible is, however, a book made for instruction.

***And what of those who do not read the Bible? Are you saying that they do not have their lives mapped out? Or maybe that they're lost? It doesn't seem like that's the case with me or any other agnostics I know in real life.
But I understand that not everyone think the same way. ***

Thats the difference between the followers and the NON-believers, Everyone in this world lives their life as if they have to achieve personal satisfaction.. its a ME world, everyone trying to succeed. Whereas in the christian perspective, you give your life over to Christ. You let God lead your way, and let Him use you to glorify His name. Yes the people that try to lead their own lives are walkin in the dark, its basically luck of the draw. They don't know if what they're getting themselves into will end up good or bad, whereas with Christ, you're always in safe hands.



***Yes, there are many great proverbs and teachings from the Bible, I will not argue against that. But other religions teaches those same lessons as well. There's nothing from the Bible that I can't get from other religions, or from learning the lesson myself in real life. ***

The difference between Our religion and all of the others is that our GOD is living. Jesus Christ Rose from the dead, and will come back to save us.

Matthew 17: 22
"... When they came together in Galilee, he said to them, 'The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life.'... "

You mock us as christians now, but when the wrath of Heaven rains down, It's not going to be us you have to face. You will have to look GOD in the eyes and explain your actions..

Revelation 7:15-17

"... 'They are before the throne of GOD and serve him night and day in His temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them. Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat upon them, nor any scorching heat. For the lamb at the center of the throne will be their shephard, he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.' .. "


gosh dangit, i messed up the whole quote thing. oh well the *** are what she said.