the bible...fairytales? Options

[cori-catastrophe]

earlier today, i was debating with another cber about the bible. she seemed to believe that jesus walked the earth, but she doesn't believe in god, nor any of the historical stories in the bible, such as the flood that god sent to rid the world of all evil.
i believe in god, as well as the stories in the bible.
i just think that over the many years people have made the stories into fairytales. perhaps they overdid it on the describing details by using dramatic hyperboles. people are the ones that leave us wondering about our faith, not god.
i believe that they all happened the original way that god planned them, but there isn't very much proof anymore because of people. although, god could also be testing our faithfulnes toward him being in control. what do you think?

[kimmytree]

correct, but as far as the Bible goes, i'd say only scriptures in the new testament would be worth listing. in the old testament, everything was different.

So... you're saying that anything sexist in the Old Testament isnt worth listing? If you're going to ignore it, then I wont waste my time. But it's obviously there.

yes, i have.
jesus wanted to spread his glory. he's not perfect, he's sinless.
again, god gives us free-will. it's us that screwed up, not him. bet yet, people like you go around blaming it on him for not making you mindless zombies. it's amazing to me.
if God's "children" cared anything about him, they would go against his will, like you are doing with your blaphemous comments.
actually, he does talk back to me. and why would i tell you what he says when it's personal to me. i'll tell you this though; he gives me strength.
i'm not judging you;you're juding me if anything.
it sounds to me like you are holding a grudge though. god doesn't answer prayers like that. he oculd make them live, but he doesn't because it's a test of strength.
he is giving you the power to decide.
and christians aren't selfish.
like podomaht said, if you were the
"perfect" christian, you wouldn't have turned against him. not to mention, there's not such thing as a "perfect" chistian in the first place.

So since he's not perfect, then he's flawed in one way or another...? Wouldnt he have known that we would screw things up then? After all, he's supposedly all knowing.

I'm not trying to go against him at all. I believe in God. How many times do I have to repeat that? Okay... let me get this straight. Since I dont believe the exact way you do, I'm being blasphemous towards God? Ahhhh hahah. I could just as easily say that you're being blasphemous.

Oh really? I dont really care what he's been telling you, but how does he tell you? In what means does he communicate?

So God let my grandmother SUFFER for two freaking years, just to test me? Even before she got sick, I was a Christian. And I was even a Christian for two years after she died. I didnt blame God then. So how was I holding a grudge, especially back then? How the hell do you suggest someone pray then?

Uhhh, I'm aware of that. NO ONE is perfect. That's why I used the quotations around "perfect". I was living the way a Christian should live. Just because I later lost my faith, doesnt mean that I didnt have it at one point.

Dude, I just answered the 2nd question about unanswered prayers in my f**king response. It's called reading. You do that much or do you try to just skip that?

God knows everything. He is also two dimensional. One dimension is that he is a loving God. But he also is, a god who judges. Since God is perfect, he cannot be affiliated with those who sin, much less be in the presence of it. That is why Jesus came down to Earth.

Here's a theology lesson for you. Before Jesus came to Earth, ANYONE who believed in the LORD ( Yahweh ) went straight to hell. Why? Because God could not be in the presence of sin. They did go to hell, but they went into a place called " Abraham's Bosom. " ( Or Abram. Whichever. Same name. ) It was basically Heaven, without God's literal presence.

Now, when Jesus had died, he went straight to hell, to pay for the sins of OUR lives; and while doing so, he brought up all those who had patiently waited in Abraham's Bosom and brought them up to heaven as well.

And God does try to make things occur to change a non-believer's life. Like now. I'm debating with you and trying to explain the Bible is flawless. It just takes some time and removing all ignorance of the Bible to understand most of it.

Now, onto what you were saying about unanswered prayers.

God doesn't speak with Man anymore, not after circa Jesus' time, because the Bible was near completion. The Bible IS God's word. Now on prayers, God won't speak with you. He listen, and while he may not literally throw down lightning bolts saying "HERE IS THE CURE TO CANCER"

He speaks through feeling.


And I'm not going to argue about the last point, but 12-16 is still way too immature. I'm still young, ( Way older than you ) and I don't even know one^219382482309482340238402-13821983721983217391274916th of what God has in store for me.

Try patience.

Okay, so God knew we were going to sin in the first place, correct? Why the hell didnt he stop the serpent from tempting Adam and Eve? He easily could have. Or better yet, why the heck did he create the serpent?

Well, thanks for the lesson, but I was already aware of most of that. So in todays time, all those who dont believe in Jesus, are suposedly damned. So ninety something percent of the world is going to burn in a eternal hell? Thats sick if you actually believe that.

So God's lying when he says "For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened" (Matthew 7:8)??? He obviously is... considering he doesnt answer most prayers, even prayers made by his most faithful followers.

If what you say is correct, then Hazardous must be hearing things.

[cori-catastrophe]

So... you're saying that anything sexist in the Old Testament isnt worth listing? If you're going to ignore it, then I wont waste my time. But it's obviously there.

So since he's not perfect, then he's flawed in one way or another...? Wouldnt he have known that we would screw things up then? After all, he's supposedly all knowing.

I'm not trying to go against him at all. I believe in God. How many times do I have to repeat that? Okay... let me get this straight. Since I dont believe the exact way you do, I'm being blasphemous towards God? Ahhhh hahah. I could just as easily say that you're being blasphemous.

Oh really? I dont really care what he's been telling you, but how does he tell you? In what means does he communicate?

So God let my grandmother SUFFER for two freaking years, just to test me? Even before she got sick, I was a Christian. And I was even a Christian for two years after she died. I didnt blame God then. So how was I holding a grudge, especially back then? How the hell do you suggest someone pray then?

Uhhh, I'm aware of that. NO ONE is perfect. That's why I used the quotations around "perfect". I was living the way a Christian should live. Just because I later lost my faith, doesnt mean that I didnt have it at one point.


Okay, so God knew we were going to sin in the first place, correct? Why the hell didnt he stop the serpent from tempting Adam and Eve? He easily could have. Or better yet, why the heck did he create the serpent?

Well, thanks for the lesson, but I was already aware of most of that. So in todays time, all those who dont believe in Jesus, are suposedly damned. So ninety something percent of the world is going to burn in a eternal hell? Thats sick if you actually believe that.

So God's lying when he says "For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened" (Matthew 7:8)??? He obviously is... considering he doesnt answer most prayers, even prayers made by his most faithful followers.

If what you say is correct, then Hazardous must be hearing things.

of course he knew. what an ignorant question to ask.

Thus, we saw that God, in keeping with His perfect plan, placed a simple test before the man whom He had created. In the middle of the garden, God planted the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and then commanded the man, saying, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for [in the day that] you eat of it you will surely die." (Gen. 2:16)

Why did God test Adam in this way? God wanted to show the condition of Adam's heart. God did not test Adam to cause him to sin, but to bless and strengthen him. The man whom God created had no faults and was without sin, but that does not mean he possessed a perfect love or a mature character. God placed a test before Adam, to test his love. If Adam stood the test and obeyed God, he would prove that he loved God in his heart. Also, if Adam stood the test and refused to sin, that test would strengthen him, because the Scriptures say that "patience in times of trial produces character." (Rom. 5:4)

ta-da.
he comminicates through feelings. seriously. do you read at all or do you just to skip over the parts that you don't want to hear?
god answers all prayers with "no", "yes", or "wait".
he obviously answered yours as "no" for reasons that only he knows at the moment. you question his authority.