Another Christian contradiction, perhaps? Options

[silly ol' man]

I'm pretty intrigued by this whole "let's try to poke holes in the Christian faith" fad, so I've tried one out myself! Here's my line of thought:

• The Christian religion teaches that God is "perfect."
• Perfection implies wholeness, thoroughness, completeness...
• If God is perfect, he needs no ends because he is perfect, complete.
• To say that he created us out of love, or boredom, etc., would deny his perfection because we would be means to those ends, which he didn't need in the first place.
• Ergo, if God created us, there's two possibilities: 1) he's not perfect, 2) Christianity has yet another swiss cheese hole.

Discuss.

EDIT// There are also obvious imperfections in his creations, i.e., random deformations, stillborns, cancer, etc.. I'm not sure about this point, but it seems to have relevance at the moment.

[*Podomaht*]

God, I hate retards like you that think you are trying to outwit something that's been around for longer than 2000 years.

If you yourself don't know the answer to the question you asked, silly ol' man; then you're an idiot.


There are better questions out there that can make a Christian doubt his faith, but this one; definitely not one of them.

[silly ol' man]

God, I hate retards like you that think you are trying to outwit something that's been around for longer than 2000 years.

If you yourself don't know the answer to the question you asked, silly ol' man; then you're an idiot.
There are better questions out there that can make a Christian doubt his faith, but this one; definitely not one of them.

So what's the answer to the question then, Einstein? Rather than wasting everyone's time and adding nothing to the debate by spewing out an inane insult at me, how about you answer this "simple" question?

Do you honestly think antiquity means something can't be outwitted? That's how philosophy/theology/argumentation works, dumbass; philosophers, for instance, have been writing books for centuries that attempt to discredit the ideas of Plato (and I think he predates the Bible, last time I checked). These books, by Nietzsche, de Beauvoir, and others, are all considered to be staple works in philosophical tradition. No one calls them "retards" for trying to dispute Plato. I'd like to know why you think that the Bible's age means it can't be outwitted.

God is described by the Bible as omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, etc... I don't think Christians dispute that. The very concept of perfection implies that there is nothing else that needs to be added to/subtracted from God -- he's already perfect! What I'm here to find out is: if he's perfect, why did he create us?

Hazardous' response:

god created us to spread the news of his faith. he created us out of a loving attitude.
how does that prove that he's not sinless?

He has, by virtue of his perfection, no need to create people to spread any news of his faith -- that's means by which to reach and end, and he's perfect (no need for ends). I want to know why he made us in the first place -- he'd have no whim to create us if he was perfect in every way. Christianity claims that we were put here to glorify and worship God, right? Well, what I'm saying is that a perfect God wouldn't care if there were no one to glorify him because he's perfect -- completely content.

Again, I'm not sure why I'm a "retard" because of this line of thinking -- how about you show me, Podomaht?

[*Podomaht*]

So what's the answer to the question then, Einstein? Rather than wasting everyone's time and adding nothing to the debate by spewing out an inane insult at me, how about you answer this "simple" question?

Do you honestly think antiquity means something can't be outwitted? That's how philosophy/theology/argumentation works, dumbass; philosophers, for instance, have been writing books for centuries that attempt to discredit the ideas of Plato (and I think he predates the Bible, last time I checked). These books, by Nietzsche, de Beauvoir, and others, are all considered to be staple works in philosophical tradition. No one calls them "retards" for trying to dispute Plato. I'd like to know why you think that the Bible's age means it can't be outwitted.

God is described by the Bible as omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, etc... I don't think Christians dispute that. The very concept of perfection implies that there is nothing else that needs to be added to/subtracted from God -- he's already perfect! What I'm here to find out is: if he's perfect, why did he create us?

Hazardous' response:

He has, by virtue of his perfection, no need to create people to spread any news of his faith -- that's means by which to reach and end, and he's perfect (no need for ends). I want to know why he made us in the first place -- he'd have no whim to create us if he was perfect in every way. Christianity claims that we were put here to glorify and worship God, right? Well, what I'm saying is that a perfect God wouldn't care if there were no one to glorify him because he's perfect -- completely content.

Again, I'm not sure why I'm a "retard" because of this line of thinking -- how about you show me, Podomaht?

Is your sarcasm-o-meter broken?