the bible...fairytales? Options

[cori-catastrophe]

earlier today, i was debating with another cber about the bible. she seemed to believe that jesus walked the earth, but she doesn't believe in god, nor any of the historical stories in the bible, such as the flood that god sent to rid the world of all evil.
i believe in god, as well as the stories in the bible.
i just think that over the many years people have made the stories into fairytales. perhaps they overdid it on the describing details by using dramatic hyperboles. people are the ones that leave us wondering about our faith, not god.
i believe that they all happened the original way that god planned them, but there isn't very much proof anymore because of people. although, god could also be testing our faithfulnes toward him being in control. what do you think?

[Mulder]

there are no jews who believe in the new testament, even just believing them to be stories?

No. The Old Testament is the Jew's covenant with God. The New Testament came after Christianity, and has nothing to do with Judiasm, except that it spawned from Judiasm.

secular jews aren't included in the old testament? i didn't know that.

I have no idea what you mean.
The sects I listed are recent. They formally started in the 20th century. The Old Testament was written thousands of years before jesus was even born, so I really don't understand what you mean.

[cori-catastrophe]

No. The Old Testament is the Jew's covenant with God. The New Testament came after Christianity, and has nothing to do with Judiasm, except that it spawned from Judiasm.
I have no idea what you mean.
The sects I listed are recent. They formally started in the 20th century. The Old Testament was written thousands of years before jesus was even born, so I really don't understand what you mean.

eh. you answered my question.

I kind of skimmed through the posts, so sorry if someone said this already:

I think what she means that she believes Jesus was a real person, just not the son of God. I'd have to see what she said exactly, but she could be saying that he was just a good person and that he inspired a lot of people to do good things, plus that he was still crucified by the Roman and Pilate and stuff like that.

Quite a few Jews believe this. You could either believe in God or not believe in God and still take this view.

To the post above:

Funny, we just recently talked about this in Confirmation class (I'm Jewish).

Back during biblical times, there was only one form of Judaism, what today we call "Orthodox." Except, back then, they didn't call it that because, well, they didn't need to since there weren't any other sects yet. In the 20th Century, a group of Jews decided to reform the Jewish ideas and laws (hence "Reform Judaism") in order to apply Judaism to the modernisms of today. Then followed Conservative Judaism, which agreed that there needed to be some changes, yet still some preservation of the old ways. So the Jews who decided to not change and felt that they needed to keep the traditional ways were called "Orthodox."

So "secular Jews" and the different sects weren't even around until the 20th Century

well, i was starting to think she was jewish after hearing her arguments, but she said that she didn't have a religion. maybe she was just going for that whole "i'm an atheist emo kid" fad.

Oh, you mean historical Christian figures?
I don't doubt that he wasn't a real person. I just don't believe the whole "son of God" business, nor do I believe in a Christian God.

no, i mean all historical figures throughout history.
and i'm in no way trying to be rude, but when did this board come about your sole belifs?

[misoshiru]

no, i mean all historical figures throughout history.
and i'm in no way trying to be rude, but when did this board come about your sole belifs?

Just because I'm putting out my beliefs doesn't mean that this thread is solely about them. Like James (kyrogenix) has said, this topic is offensive, and I find it so. I feel that you're trying to convert all of us to Christianity. I used to be Christian and went to a Christian school for 8 years. I know what the Bible teaches so don't try to pull shit on me. Just because some of us here don't believe in God doesn't mean that you have to go all Bible-thumping on us and try to prove whatever argument we have wrong.

[cori-catastrophe]

Just because I'm putting out my beliefs doesn't mean that this thread is solely about them. Like James (kyrogenix) has said, this topic is offensive, and I find it so. I feel that you're trying to convert all of us to Christianity. I used to be Christian and went to a Christian school for 8 years. I know what the Bible teaches so don't try to pull shit on me. Just because some of us here don't believe in God doesn't mean that you have to go all Bible-thumping on us and try to prove whatever argument we have wrong.

you only find it offensive because i don't agree with you.
i'm not trying to force my belifs on you. it's called a debate. look it up.
and i wasn't attacking you. i don't understand your reasoning. when did i say anything about "posting on this thread that I don't believe in a Christian God"? i was just pointing out that the entire point of the board wasn't about your beliefs as an individual, yet you were trying to make it out as so. seriously. some people get "offended" too easily when people don't agree with them.