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 Apr 10 2007, 06:44 PM
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 hardxcore.  Group: Member Posts: 1,223 Joined: Nov 2006 Member No: 479,494  |
earlier today, i was debating with another cber about the bible. she seemed to believe that jesus walked the earth, but she doesn't believe in god, nor any of the historical stories in the bible, such as the flood that god sent to rid the world of all evil.
i believe in god, as well as the stories in the bible. i just think that over the many years people have made the stories into fairytales. perhaps they overdid it on the describing details by using dramatic hyperboles. people are the ones that leave us wondering about our faith, not god. i believe that they all happened the original way that god planned them, but there isn't very much proof anymore because of people. although, god could also be testing our faithfulnes toward him being in control. what do you think? |
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Apr 22 2007, 09:38 AM
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 Kimberly Group: Member Posts: 1,961 Joined: Apr 2005 Member No: 121,599 |
^ Just look Judaism up on Wikipedia.
 A person CANT believe in the Trinity unless they at least believe in Jesus. Jews dont believe in him, so how can they believe in the Trinity? lol. In a sense he kinda did change it. Before, in the Old Testament, Jews were promised eternal life just for being Jewish. But then with the New Testament, it says you have to believe in Jesus (and do other things, depending on the denomination). So now, instead of a Jew automatically being saved, they have to do all this other crap that they dont believe in to begin with. And if they dont, they're damned. So yeah, God's law/promise changed for them. |
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Apr 22 2007, 11:45 AM
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hardxcore. Group: Member Posts: 1,223 Joined: Nov 2006 Member No: 479,494 |
QUOTE(kimmytree @ Apr 22 2007, 10:38 AM)  ^ Just look Judaism up on Wikipedia. A person CANT believe in the Trinity unless they at least believe in Jesus. Jews dont believe in him, so how can they believe in the Trinity? lol. In a sense he kinda did change it. Before, in the Old Testament, Jews were promised eternal life just for being Jewish. But then with the New Testament, it says you have to believe in Jesus (and do other things, depending on the denomination). So now, instead of a Jew automatically being saved, they have to do all this other crap that they dont believe in to begin with. And if they dont, they're damned. So yeah, God's law/promise changed for them. so in the old testament, jews were automatically saved and promised eternal life? that doesn't make much sence. jesus was jewish though, correct? so they didn't believe that he was the messiah so he didn't have the power to change the law? QUOTE now you're including the New Testament. Jews don't believe in the New Testament at all, so if you're going to make a comment about Judiasm and the Bible, you should be referring strictly to the Old Testament. Non-orthodox jews are not Secular. There are many sects of Judiasm, but the main ones are: Reconstructionist, Reform, Conservative, Orthodox, and Hassidic. Reform and Conservative Jews are less observant than Orthodox Jews. The religion doesn't change. there are no jews who believe in the new testament, even just believing them to be stories? secular jews aren't included in the old testament? i didn't know that. QUOTE Other than the Bible, where else has Jesus appeared in, in terms of proof of his existence? he is all through history, as well as all the historical figures that people believe in. |
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Apr 22 2007, 03:47 PM
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 yan lin♥ Group: Staff Alumni Posts: 14,129 Joined: Apr 2004 Member No: 13,627 |
QUOTE(hazardous @ Apr 23 2007, 12:45 AM) he is all through history, as well as all the historical figures that people believe in. Oh, you mean historical Christian figures?  I don't doubt that he wasn't a real person. I just don't believe the whole "son of God" business, nor do I believe in a Christian God. |
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hazardous the bible...fairytales? Apr 10 2007, 06:44 PM
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