the bible...fairytales? Options

[cori-catastrophe]

earlier today, i was debating with another cber about the bible. she seemed to believe that jesus walked the earth, but she doesn't believe in god, nor any of the historical stories in the bible, such as the flood that god sent to rid the world of all evil.
i believe in god, as well as the stories in the bible.
i just think that over the many years people have made the stories into fairytales. perhaps they overdid it on the describing details by using dramatic hyperboles. people are the ones that leave us wondering about our faith, not god.
i believe that they all happened the original way that god planned them, but there isn't very much proof anymore because of people. although, god could also be testing our faithfulnes toward him being in control. what do you think?

[*mishyerr*]

I know many people who believe that Jesus lived. Isn't that a fact? But they also believe that Jesus' existence doesn't prove anything he claimed to be. Sure, the Bible has historical events, but to believe EVERYTHING in the Bible is faith.

[cori-catastrophe]

I know many people who believe that Jesus lived. Isn't that a fact? But they also believe that Jesus' existence doesn't prove anything he claimed to be. Sure, the Bible has historical events, but to believe EVERYTHING in the Bible is faith.

that is what jewish people believe if i'm not mistaken. correct me if i'm wrong.
they believe that jesus lived and that he was a very good man that walked on earth, but they don't believe that he performed miracles, got crusified, ect.
you are right. to believe everything in the bible is faith, which is a large factor and portion of christianity.

[*mishyerr*]

that is what jewish people believe if i'm not mistaken. correct me if i'm wrong.
they believe that jesus lived and that he was a very good man that walked on earth, but they don't believe that he performed miracles, got crusified, ect.
you are right. to believe everything in the bible is faith, which is a large factor and portion of christianity.

Um, I'm not sure. I don't know much about Judaism. I meant that some people that are athiest, agnostic, etc, believe that Jesus was, in fact, a man on earth, just like George Washington, who existed.

[cori-catastrophe]

Um, I'm not sure. I don't know much about Judaism. I meant that some people that are athiest, agnostic, etc, believe that Jesus was, in fact, a man on earth, just like George Washington, who existed.

i know. i really question some athiest and agnostic people's beliefs though because they believe that jesus isn't real but they believe people like george washington are. however, they back up their arguments by saying how are they supposed to believe in someone they've never met. if i'm not mistaken, i don't think any of them have met george washington either. so aren't they contradicting themselves a bit in saying that?

Jewish people believe that Jesus was a prophet, but not the son of God. The foundation of Judiasm is "the lord our god is one," so really, how could he be in the eyes of Jews? Many Jews (non-Orthodox) believe that the stories in the bible are supposed to be valued for their message, and not to be taken as fact. They're just stories that teach lessons.

so if secular jews believe that what do orthodox jews believe?
like mish, i'm not educated on judaism very much.
in christian's eyes, secular jews are halfway correct. the stories in the bible do, in fact, teach lessons. they were written to teach lessons, but they were also written to tell his about history and miracles that jesus performed in the past so that christians wouldn't has to solely believe with only faith.

QUOTE(hazardous @ Apr 17 2007, 8:54 PM)

that is what jewish people believe if i'm not mistaken. correct me if i'm wrong.
they believe that jesus lived and that he was a very good man that walked on earth, but they don't believe that he performed miracles, got crusified, ect.
you are right. to believe everything in the bible is faith, which is a large factor and portion of christianity.

Yeah, they just believe in the Old Testament. They believe a messiah will eventually come, but they don't believe it was Jesus, mostly because he changed old Jewish law with the writtings in the New Testament. They dont believe God's law EVER changes.

And aside from that, they believe worshiping Jesus is Paganism (the belief/worship in more than one God). As far as I know, whenever the messiah does actually come, they dont believe he should be worshiped and placed as high as God (which in a sense is what Christianity does).

Not all Jews believe that about him - there's some who believe he never even existed. It just varies within the different "denominations", or sects.

i actually think that judaism is alot like christianity in some ways. in fact, it seems very reasonable.
so jews don't believe in trinity?
and as far as the new testament goes, jesus didn't change it, he updated it.

There was a news article on the BBC a couple weeks back about how scientists said that there was absolutely no evidence that the Red Sea had been parted before. So therefore, the story of Moses parting the Red Sea could not have been true.

i shall read the link you posted and comment later.
edit:i read the article link that you posted. the archaeologist didn't have very many facts to back up his findings, just his opinions.

[misoshiru]

i know. i really question some athiest and agnostic people's beliefs though because they believe that jesus isn't real but they believe people like george washington are. however, they back up their arguments by saying how are they supposed to believe in someone they've never met. if i'm not mistaken, i don't think any of them have met george washington either. so aren't they contradicting themselves a bit in saying that?

Other than the Bible, where else has Jesus appeared in, in terms of proof of his existence?