Nintendo Wii, who has one Options

[Bonobo]

Okay,who else has a Nintendo Wii?

DO you like love it?

[AngryBaby]

All over the place? How is that a bad thing? Don't you want to cater to a diverse group of gamers rather than just one crowd?

its been all over the place about it losing momentum. thats a good thing? that fact that its on a television program discussing it says something. these are just two random sites i just happened to find.

would you rather have five decent games available or one "hit" game?

so what are you trying to say? Mgs4,DMC4,Halo3,assassins creed, Heavenly sword,DMC4,Dark sector,Halo3,Mgs4,Mass effect,Bioshock,Final fantasy XIII, GTHD wont be hits? and metroid will? not to mention GTA 4 is being released this year as well, so thats not gonna be a hit?
and mario galaxy will be?

i guarantee that the titles i listed will be hits if mario galaxy and metorid are. so that makes the ps3 and 360 have like....6 hits each while nintendo has 2.

and the thing is, the latest metroids got great scores, but no better than any of sony's or microsoft's AAA titles. and mario sunshine got good scores but not as good as metroid.

so if one hit game can keep a system alive for months then what can 6 do?

The gamer's console... So the thing is Nintendo is releasing the same games as its always been. You said that you used to love Nintendo and Sega games. I guess that means that you weren't a gamer back then since they weren't releasing games like the ones being released for 360/PS3. Or are claiming that Nintendo is selling out? Cause I don't think that could be further from the truth.

i already said when ps2 was released, new franchises were released that i enjoyed even more than nintendos franchises. and on top of that, ps2 provided me with tons of great games for not just one genre like adventure platforming, but for many other genres. mario 64 was bloody fantastic, one my best memories in gaming. but that doesnt automatically mean the follow-up and the follow-up after that will be amazing as well. thats the problem, just because i enjoyed one game in the past means nothing, the key word was "past". if nintendos answer to mario 64 was sunshine, then thats not that great, because it didnt provide me with nearly the same amount of insomnia and addiction the predecessor did. or metal gear 2 did.and the thing is, maybe mario sunshine was indeed better than 64 in every way, but ive played many other games on other consoles at this time to now compare. so maybe now that ive experienced many other games and my experience by the time sunshine came is much broader, i was able to see the games true colors shine and shows that there are better titles out there that do more, and provide you with more, and have more longevity.

now the reason i say 360 and ps3 are more of a gamer's console is because of this: software and genre. like ps2, 360 and ps3 seem to have much more software, and much more quality software. and because they have more software, they have more genres.
one of the problems i had with the cube was that most of its best games only reached one genre. adventure/platforming. while like on the ps2, 360 and ps3 seem to have many diverse genres and great games for each of them, i mean at least they provide you with that. i got to play great games from fighting to action to adventure to fps's to sandbox to rpg's. and on top of that i got to play online. i cant say the same for the cube, and from the titles being released and from what i have to look forward to on the wii, i cant say the same for that either. some people dont like adventure games and like rpg's some people dont like rpg's and prefer fps's. the 360 and ps3 attempt to provide you with the best of all worlds, while if you own a wii or gamecube, in order to get the best titles the majority of your games will have to be of one particular genre. it looks the same as last generation. gaming evolves, games evolve, the way you play games evolve(online), and while it seems that everything else progressing and racing forward and progressing with more titles and genres, nintendo seems to be staying stagnate, hoping that the same games will bring them success. reggie even admitted to it. and how long can that possibly last? how long can you drag out mario? i dont expect a metal gear solid 8. why should i have to do so with mario?

Not true. Here's a list of developers releasing games for the wii.

okay but heres the strange thing,(besides 9 out of 60 devs being actual good ones).
how many of the developers are making the games for the wii that people are actually excited about? instead they make something completeyly different and not as good. ubisoft, instead of making a GRAW,rainbow, or assassins creed for the Wii, they make red steel. take-two wont be making a GTA for them, will namco be releaseing a soul caliber or Tekken for the wii? if not then they are useless. will square enix be releasing final fantasy XIII or versus or kingdom Hearts on the wii? no. kojima might do something good. but is capcom releasing RE5 or DMC to the wii? nope. all the games that make those developers good arent being released on the wii. as a buyer i dont like that.

I think this is more like the DS vs PSP. The DS was a cheaper handheld with innovative controls, whereas the PSP was a more expensive and feature rich handheld. People criticized the DS and its lineup, and look at the race now. Like the Wii, it had a pretty good start, both during its regular launch and with the DS Lite.

PSP wasnt rich with software, software sells systems more so than features. PSP had crap software while DS had decent software therefore it sold better. and it doesnt hurt that more little kids buy more handhelds than adults and psp was for more of a mature market, while the youngn's get the DS without a second of hesistation. nintendo could have released it with a picture of miyamotos ass on the front and it still woulda sold better. i wouldnt compare handhelds at all, nintendo is king of that race, consoles are different situation. that was sony's first go around in that category as well.

[*kryogenix*]

its been all over the place about it losing momentum. thats a good thing? that fact that its on a television program discussing it says something. these are just two random sites i just happened to find.

Once you hit the point where you can't make consoles as fast as you're selling them, there's nowhere to go but down. Uh oh, the Wii is selling only 1.5 million a month rather than 2 million, they better get ready to file for chapter 11 bankruptcy soon!

so what are you trying to say? Mgs4,DMC4,Halo3,assassins creed, Heavenly sword,DMC4,Dark sector,Halo3,Mgs4,Mass effect,Bioshock,Final fantasy XIII, GTHD wont be hits? and metroid will? not to mention GTA 4 is being released this year as well, so thats not gonna be a hit?
and mario galaxy will be?

i guarantee that the titles i listed will be hits if mario galaxy and metorid are. so that makes the ps3 and 360 have like....6 hits each while nintendo has 2.

and the thing is, the latest metroids got great scores, but no better than any of sony's or microsoft's AAA titles. and mario sunshine got good scores but not as good as metroid.

so if one hit game can keep a system alive for months then what can 6 do?

First of all, I only listed Q2 games. Not all those games you listed will be released Q2. All systems will probably have 2 good games in Q2 (since some of those games you listed don't even have set release dates left).

i already said when ps2 was released, new franchises were released that i enjoyed even more than nintendos franchises. and on top of that, ps2 provided me with tons of great games for not just one genre like adventure platforming, but for many other genres. mario 64 was bloody fantastic, one my best memories in gaming. but that doesnt automatically mean the follow-up and the follow-up after that will be amazing as well. thats the problem, just because i enjoyed one game in the past means nothing, the key word was "past". if nintendos answer to mario 64 was sunshine, then thats not that great, because it didnt provide me with nearly the same amount of insomnia and addiction the predecessor did. or metal gear 2 did.and the thing is, maybe mario sunshine was indeed better than 64 in every way, but ive played many other games on other consoles at this time to now compare. so maybe now that ive experienced many other games and my experience by the time sunshine came is much broader, i was able to see the games true colors shine and shows that there are better titles out there that do more, and provide you with more, and have more longevity.

Again, here you're basing the destiny of a console on... your personal opinion?

now the reason i say 360 and ps3 are more of a gamer's console is because of this: software and genre. like ps2, 360 and ps3 seem to have much more software, and much more quality software. and because they have more software, they have more genres.
one of the problems i had with the cube was that most of its best games only reached one genre. adventure/platforming. while like on the ps2, 360 and ps3 seem to have many diverse genres and great games for each of them, i mean at least they provide you with that. i got to play great games from fighting to action to adventure to fps's to sandbox to rpg's. and on top of that i got to play online. i cant say the same for the cube, and from the titles being released and from what i have to look forward to on the wii, i cant say the same for that either. some people dont like adventure games and like rpg's some people dont like rpg's and prefer fps's. the 360 and ps3 attempt to provide you with the best of all worlds, while if you own a wii or gamecube, in order to get the best titles the majority of your games will have to be of one particular genre. it looks the same as last generation. gaming evolves, games evolve, the way you play games evolve(online), and while it seems that everything else progressing and racing forward and progressing with more titles and genres, nintendo seems to be staying stagnate, hoping that the same games will bring them success. reggie even admitted to it. and how long can that possibly last? how long can you drag out mario? i dont expect a metal gear solid 8. why should i have to do so with mario?
okay but heres the strange thing,(besides 9 out of 60 devs being actual good ones).
how many of the developers are making the games for the wii that people are actually excited about? instead they make something completeyly different and not as good. ubisoft, instead of making a GRAW,rainbow, or assassins creed for the Wii, they make red steel. take-two wont be making a GTA for them, will namco be releaseing a soul caliber or Tekken for the wii? if not then they are useless. will square enix be releasing final fantasy XIII or versus or kingdom Hearts on the wii? no. kojima might do something good. but is capcom releasing RE5 or DMC to the wii? nope. all the games that make those developers good arent being released on the wii. as a buyer i dont like that.

Disproven above. Also more subjectivity and opinion. Also, you're long winded, get to the point.

Nintendo being stagnant? I don't consider completely redesigning a controller stagnant. If anything, Nintendo is driving the market at the moment (being in first place and all). Sony redesigned their controller to have motion sensing, and Microsoft is now researching motion sensing input.

PSP wasnt rich with software, software sells systems more so than features. PSP had crap software while DS had decent software therefore it sold better. and it doesnt hurt that more little kids buy more handhelds than adults and psp was for more of a mature market, while the youngn's get the DS without a second of hesistation.

Didn't you enjoy the PSP games more than the DS? So in your opinion the PSP games were better than the DS?

The "youngun" notion is bullshit. Brain Age (also known as DS Brain Training For Adults was the best selling game on the DS for a while. The game even says that the scoring system is not designed for people under 20. Your perception is wrong.

nintendo could have released it with a picture of miyamotos ass on the front and it still woulda sold better. i wouldnt compare handhelds at all, nintendo is king of that race, consoles are different situation. that was sony's first go around in that category as well.

So, then Sony is the king of consoles... yet they're in last place. Somehow that argument doesn't seem to make any sense.

I agree though that certain franchises get leniency after a certain point; if you make even valid criticisms people attack you. Nintendo has a bunch of them. Halo is one. Final Fantasy is one. The Wii right now is enjoying that sense of infallibility right now. Every time I criticize Wii sports people get pissed at me. Your doing the same thing, except taking it to the opposite extreme by saying that the Wii is going to fall.

Don't always believe the "buzz." Don't forget that viral marketing has gotten very popular. Remember Sony paying those people to put graffiti on walls? And the guy they hired to write a blog about how much he wanted a PSP? I think it was TGS when no one attended Microsoft's demo so they paid a bunch of people to stand there and look excited so that it would draw a crowd. And when Nintendo wants to get people excited they send Reggie out and he says some stuff and people eat it up for some reason.

[AngryBaby]

i'll answer to more..... later, when its not 1:50. i just gotta get a few things out of the way.

So, then Sony is the king of consoles... yet they're in last place. Somehow that argument doesn't seem to make any sense.

hell no....f**k no. i said that? MAN! i must be high because i really dont recall saying that. maybe im just crazy i dunno. let me tell you though, last generation yeah, this generation im pefering microsoft. i mean when 360 got DMC, it just showed Sony's losing way too many exclusives. me and antho argue about this all the time. 360 is just out playing them business wise.

but does that mean i dont think ps3 will pick up? of course not. do i feel people are expecting a little bit more from ps3 and being more leniant to other systems? of course i do. do i feel ps3 dug that hole themselves? damn right i do. but i still think microsoft is doing a better job as of now.


also, i know you thought i loved me some ps3,
i want you to know i feel no loyalty what so ever to a system, im cold as hell when it comes to that, i will drop a system in a drop of a hat if it wasn't doing what it needed to do to earn my money. original xbox wasnt that good in my opinion, Halo was over rated, in fact i think it blowed.the only reason i included it in my argument is because we both know its gonna sell like a beast. ill argue against any system, if there was a topic saying "oMGZ PS3#1" i'd be having a long winded debate about that too. it just so happens to be wii this time. and its always the wii on cb. (personally you'd think nintendo sponsored cb, coming to the tech forums. i mean theres tons of buzz and crazy things going on with the ps3 and 360, GTA 4 trailer came out yesterday, tons of discussion on it every where else, gaming and non gaming sites. come in cb, dont even see a thing even refrencing it. instead you only see "Wii #1!!!" didnt even see a topic on Home for ps3, but i guaratee you if home was instead for the wii, i'd hear about it )

let me digress and ask a question, so because halo sold like a beast its automatically great game right? hell fucken no. but going by you're logic, the wii is selling well, so that automically makes it a great system, and people are buying it for a reason! i mean look at the sales! i can care less about the sales, what does that do for me? now look, despite me not liking the original xbox i got a 360, because i saw they were getting tons of shit, kicking ass and taking names, and when i say names i mean sony's exclusives. i evaluated the situation, and thought " what system will provide me much exclusive software, along with good multi plats?" and thats what drove me to buy a 360 FIRST. 360 could have had 2,000 sales and i still would've told people "what the hell is wrong with you?", its the best buy right now because of software availabilty and great online services. i mean its obvious.

and i got a ps3 later as a gift. but i still think its doing better things when it comes to software than the wii. i mean i have the mentality that games make a good system. not a fact that ill be able to play a round with grandma.

bah ill finish later. but i ike arguing, its fun. it gets me off.