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Mar 20 2007, 05:40 PM
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The "problem of evil" is an argument against the existence of an omnipotent, omni-benevolent God. Basically, this proposes that an omnipotent and omni-benevolent God and evil existing in our world contradict and that because there is clearly evil in the world, God cannot exist.
The logical problem of evil argument, I personally think, does the best job of making what the problem of evil is proposing clear. QUOTE 1. God exists. (premise) 2. God is omnipotent. (premise - or true by definition of the word 'God') 3. God is all-benevolent. (premise - or true by definition) 4. All-benevolent beings are opposed to all evil. (premise - or true by definition) 5. All-benevolent beings who can eliminate evil will do so immediately when they become aware of it. (premise) 6. God is opposed to all evil. (conclusion from 3 and 4) 7. God can eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 2) 1. Whatever the end result of suffering is, God can bring it about by ways which do not include suffering. (conclusion from 2)8. God will eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 6, 7.2 and 7.3) 9. Evil exists, has existed, and probably will always exist. (premise) 10. Items 8 and 9 are contradictory; therefore, one or more of the premises is false: either God does not exist, or he is not both omnipotent and all-benevolent or there is a reason why He does not act immediately. On the flip side, one of the most popular defenses is proposed by Augustine of Hippo, a Christian, which basically goes that evil is only the complete deprivation of good. I personally think that argument is relatively weak, so I'll also throw in the free will argument (which basically states that God gave us free will as to not have us as "mindless robots") just to have the topic start out somewhat neutral. QUOTE 1. Free will requires the potential to so anything one chooses. (premise, or by definition) 2. Thus, free will requires the potential to do evil. 3. Thus, removing the potential to do evil would remove free will. Discuss. |
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Mar 28 2007, 04:13 PM
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Ultimately, however, it is clear that the authors of the Bible had no real intentions of teaching about reincarnation. Nor do we even know for sure that the Bible is inerrant, or even complete. Because wasn't it that during the compilation of the Bible, the people chose what to include and what not to include? And what about those many years of Christ that were left out of the Bible. (Yeah, I have read that verse where it says that that would make the Bible extremely long.) I understand that there are also Bible verses against reincarnation in the Bible.It could have been that people just picked and chose what they wanted to be taught from the Bible. Though, reincarnation actually was indeed taught in Christianity by Origen, known as one of the Fathers of the early Christian church. Though, I heard that Origen was then cursed by the church and no one was ever to read his books "or else they would go to hell." The thing is, though, that I never really used the Bible when answering the problem of evil. |
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Arjuna Capulong The Problem of Evil Mar 20 2007, 05:40 PM
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Arjuna Capulong Oh, my bad.
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Uronacid Ahhhh...
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Arjuna Capulong "Evil" by human perspective = Suffering ... Apr 2 2007, 12:48 AM![]() ![]() |