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The Problem of Evil, Another Theological Problem
Simba
post Mar 20 2007, 05:40 PM
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The "problem of evil" is an argument against the existence of an omnipotent, omni-benevolent God. Basically, this proposes that an omnipotent and omni-benevolent God and evil existing in our world contradict and that because there is clearly evil in the world, God cannot exist.

The logical problem of evil argument, I personally think, does the best job of making what the problem of evil is proposing clear.
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1. God exists. (premise)
2. God is omnipotent. (premise - or true by definition of the word 'God')
3. God is all-benevolent. (premise - or true by definition)
4. All-benevolent beings are opposed to all evil. (premise - or true by definition)
5. All-benevolent beings who can eliminate evil will do so immediately when they become aware of it. (premise)
6. God is opposed to all evil. (conclusion from 3 and 4)
7. God can eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 2)
1. Whatever the end result of suffering is, God can bring it about by ways which do not include suffering. (conclusion from 2)
2. God has no reason not to eliminate evil. (conclusion from 7.1)
3. God has no reason not to act immediately. (conclusion from 5)
8. God will eliminate evil completely and immediately. (conclusion from 6, 7.2 and 7.3)
9. Evil exists, has existed, and probably will always exist. (premise)
10. Items 8 and 9 are contradictory; therefore, one or more of the premises is false: either God does not exist, or he is not both omnipotent and all-benevolent or there is a reason why He does not act immediately.


On the flip side, one of the most popular defenses is proposed by Augustine of Hippo, a Christian, which basically goes that evil is only the complete deprivation of good.

I personally think that argument is relatively weak, so I'll also throw in the free will argument (which basically states that God gave us free will as to not have us as "mindless robots") just to have the topic start out somewhat neutral.
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1. Free will requires the potential to so anything one chooses. (premise, or by definition)
2. Thus, free will requires the potential to do evil.
3. Thus, removing the potential to do evil would remove free will.

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Mr. Slowjamz
post Mar 22 2007, 07:13 PM
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what do you think it says....if so obvious.
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^ o boy i think you got everything right Arjuna . yet i feel in this case that this sort of feeling coincides with the "discipline atitude" and the responsibility atitude.
 

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Arjuna Capulong   The Problem of Evil   Mar 20 2007, 05:40 PM
Heath21   Funny. I was actually having this discussion with ...   Mar 20 2007, 08:06 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Mar 20 2007, 9:06 PM) Fun...   Mar 20 2007, 08:35 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 20 2007, 6:35...   Mar 21 2007, 02:23 AM
Acid Bath Slayer   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Mar 21 2007, 1:23 AM) How...   Mar 21 2007, 02:34 AM
Heath21   QUOTE(Acid Bath Slayer @ Mar 21 2007, 12...   Mar 21 2007, 02:38 AM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(Acid Bath Slayer @ Mar 21 2007, 3:3...   Mar 21 2007, 02:48 AM
Heath21   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Mar 21 2007, 12:40 AM) ...   Mar 21 2007, 02:49 AM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Mar 21 2007, 3:49 AM) I r...   Mar 21 2007, 02:54 AM
Heath21   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Mar 21 2007, 12:54 AM) ...   Mar 21 2007, 03:02 AM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Mar 21 2007, 3:23 AM) Exp...   Mar 21 2007, 03:42 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 21 2007, 1:42...   Mar 21 2007, 03:52 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Mar 21 2007, 4:52 PM) Wel...   Mar 21 2007, 03:59 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 21 2007, 1:59...   Mar 21 2007, 05:12 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Mar 21 2007, 6:12 PM) I f...   Mar 21 2007, 05:35 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 21 2007, 3:35...   Mar 21 2007, 06:10 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Mar 21 2007, 7:10 PM) Oh ...   Mar 21 2007, 06:35 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 21 2007, 4:35...   Mar 21 2007, 07:32 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Mar 21 2007, 8:32 PM) Wel...   Mar 21 2007, 07:49 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 21 2007, 5:49...   Mar 21 2007, 08:04 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 21 2007, 6:35...   Mar 21 2007, 08:21 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Mar 21 2007, 9:21 PM) T...   Mar 21 2007, 08:26 PM
happykmd   ^ I thought you were only in your early twenties? ...   Mar 21 2007, 01:04 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(happykmd @ Mar 21 2007, 11:04 AM) ^...   Mar 21 2007, 02:07 PM
Acid Bath Slayer   QUOTE(happykmd @ Mar 21 2007, 12:04 PM) ^...   Mar 21 2007, 04:15 PM
Uronacid   Alright, I'm going to tell you what I think (k...   Mar 21 2007, 07:26 PM
JakeKKing   Possibly. It's a hard question to answer, beca...   Mar 21 2007, 10:31 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Mar 21 2007, 8:31 PM) H...   Mar 21 2007, 11:02 PM
Arjuna Capulong   Eh. Well, I still have a possible explanation that...   Mar 22 2007, 03:45 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 22 2007, 1:45...   Mar 22 2007, 03:48 PM
Arjuna Capulong   Well, alright. To start off with, I'd like to ...   Mar 22 2007, 05:13 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 22 2007, 5:13...   Mar 26 2007, 10:59 AM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Mar 26 2007, 11:59 AM) I...   Mar 26 2007, 06:15 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 26 2007, 6:15...   Mar 26 2007, 10:24 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Mar 26 2007, 8:24 PM) Ar...   Mar 27 2007, 03:06 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Mar 26 2007, 11:24 PM) A...   Mar 27 2007, 03:48 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 27 2007, 1:48...   Mar 27 2007, 09:00 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Mar 27 2007, 10:00 PM) Ye...   Mar 27 2007, 09:06 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 27 2007, 7:06...   Mar 27 2007, 09:08 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Mar 27 2007, 10:08 PM) Tr...   Mar 27 2007, 09:11 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 27 2007, 7:11...   Mar 27 2007, 09:13 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Mar 27 2007, 10:13 PM) Wh...   Mar 27 2007, 09:16 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 27 2007, 7:16...   Mar 27 2007, 09:28 PM
Mr. Slowjamz   ^ o boy i think you got everything right Arjuna . ...   Mar 22 2007, 07:13 PM
Arjuna Capulong   ^ QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 16 2007, 6...   Mar 28 2007, 04:13 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 28 2007, 4:13...   Mar 28 2007, 05:18 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Mar 28 2007, 6:18 PM) Is...   Mar 28 2007, 05:22 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 28 2007, 5:22...   Mar 28 2007, 05:25 PM
Arjuna Capulong   Oh, my bad. Nah, I just wanted to see how people ...   Mar 28 2007, 05:28 PM
Uronacid   Ahhhh... Alright well, as I was saying before, I ...   Mar 28 2007, 07:20 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Mar 28 2007, 5:20 PM) Ah...   Mar 28 2007, 11:35 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Mar 28 2007, 8:20 PM) Ah...   Mar 28 2007, 07:27 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 28 2007, 7:27...   Mar 29 2007, 11:31 AM
lostgrl16   i remember this from my philosophy class last year...   Mar 29 2007, 12:03 AM
Arjuna Capulong   Anyone else have anything to say for or against th...   Mar 29 2007, 03:51 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 29 2007, 3:51...   Mar 30 2007, 12:10 AM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Mar 30 2007, 1:10 AM) Ye...   Mar 30 2007, 09:09 AM
Heath21   QUOTE(Arjuna Capulong @ Mar 29 2007, 1:51...   Mar 30 2007, 12:20 AM
JakeKKing   My only thing with reincarnation is...how can we u...   Mar 30 2007, 01:54 AM
JakeKKing   Right. We should just stick to the topic. Evil. Th...   Mar 30 2007, 01:53 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Mar 30 2007, 2:53 PM) R...   Mar 30 2007, 03:50 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Mar 30 2007, 11:53 AM) ...   Mar 31 2007, 03:04 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Mar 31 2007, 4:04 PM) Fir...   Apr 1 2007, 01:58 PM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 1 2007, 2:58 PM) God...   Apr 1 2007, 01:59 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 1 2007, 11:58 AM) Go...   Apr 1 2007, 02:54 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(Heath21 @ Apr 1 2007, 3:54 PM) I kn...   Apr 1 2007, 02:56 PM
Heath21   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 1 2007, 12:56 PM) Yo...   Apr 1 2007, 03:44 PM
Uronacid   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Apr 2 2007, 7:28 AM) Go...   Apr 2 2007, 04:24 PM
JakeKKing   QUOTE(Uronacid @ Apr 1 2007, 2:58 PM) God...   Apr 2 2007, 06:28 AM
Arjuna Capulong   QUOTE(JakeKKing @ Apr 2 2007, 7:28 AM) Go...   Apr 2 2007, 12:45 PM
Uronacid   oops...   Apr 2 2007, 03:55 PM
Arjuna Capulong   "Evil" by human perspective = Suffering ...   Apr 2 2007, 12:48 AM


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